Moving Picks with Video question??

[Lostdog]

Hey guys,

I am not a Ref, but the dredded parent

Sorry but I have a 9 year old girl in Basketball and we played this one team that sets picks on every offensive play bringing the ball down the court.

Ok, great no problem. Except almost everytime they come running to set the pick it is moving and they come from behind and wrap their arms around our girls, move with us, or hook us.

I was just begging for fair calls. The first game we got no calls and this happened like 20 times I kid you not. This game I was determined for our girls to try and beat it. Coach said go under the pick, I learned one thing YOU CANNOT GO UNDER MOVING PICKS, THEY ARE ALLWAYS moving with you. I tried to yell moving picks and the refs seemed to not even know what was going on. And I will tell you why. These girls all bunch up so it appears that the girl is running in to get a pass from the ball carrier but oh not so Mr Ref
they are wrapping up our girls.

Anyway here is just a few of the clips on my webspace. I can add more of the same but I will run out of webspace but it went on the whole game. You can see the Ref looking right at them. Why no calls?

Basket Ball Video

Sorry, this probably not the place to post this but would like your opinon and suggestions on calmly how to discuss with a Ref.

It was truly brutal to watch the whole game like this. They practically tackled our girls and in one of them they did. I left the audio in so I guess you can hear I am a little frustrated at this .

Can two girls set picks on both sides of you, moving at that, and can they put their arms out wide ?

Thanks, Lostdog...Yes sorry but my first post.

[JRutledge]

First of all there is no such rule as "moving screen." Screens are allowed to move all the time and be legal. Also screens can be still and illegal, which is why the term should not be used. Time and distance applies to screens so at the time of contact all that is relevant was a screener giving the proper time and distance before contact.

And I just watched the first video. And if you want to have a serious conversation about basketball, first of all show some kids that are older and everyone is not in practice gear. Get a grip, it appears these are little girl's games where the kids can barely walk and chew gum yet. This did not even look like middle school kids.

Peace

[gslefeb]

Thanks for the laugh

[Rich]

Well, I watched the videos.

(1) I'd rather claw my eyes out than work a game like this.

(2) The attempts to screen where the players hold, hook, and grab are clearly illegal -- team control fouls. If these aren't being called, you should just save money on officials.

(3) The one called "doublepicksmov" has nothing illegal in it. Players moving around your players without contact are doing nothing illegal. You can't have a foul here without contact. Period.

Please learn #3. And if you live near me, #1. Unless you are paying $50 a game or more, in which case I'll be happy to take your money for an hour's "work."

[Lostdog]

I guess I should add that this league is man to man and no zone defense allowed if that matters.

Lostdog

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Lostdog

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Sorry but I have a 9 year old girl in Basketball and we played this one team that sets picks on every offensive play bringing the ball down the court.

I was just begging for fair calls.

Sorry, this probably not the place to post this but would like your opinon and suggestions on calmly how to discuss with a Ref.

Oh no, this sureasheck IS the place to post this.

Nine year old kids? In a freaking rec league? With student refs that probably have never had any formal training?

Are you kidding me?

Whatintheheck is the matter with you? Get a grip on yourself. These are freaking young kids that are out there trying to have some fun. And they don't need whining, crybaby parents like you spoiling their fun.

Do everybody in that league a favor. Drop your kids at the door and then go home. They don't need parents like you around.

If you have any more questions, please don't hesitate to ask. we'll always be here for you.


Lah...freaking me......

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Oh no, this sureasheck IS the place to post this.

Nine year old kids? In a freaking rec league? With student refs that probably have never had any formal training?

Are you kidding me?

Whatintheheck is the matter with you? Get a grip on yourself. These are freaking young kids that are out there trying to have some fun. And they don't need whining, crybaby parents like you spoiling their fun.

Do everybody in that league a favor. Drop your kids at the door and then go home. They don't need parents like you around.

If you have any more questions, please don't hesitate to ask. we'll always be here for you.


Lah...freaking me......

I answered straight up, but I was thinking this.

[Lostdog]

Fair enough guys. I will do the best I can to learn from your suggestions. Been a tough day and I thank you for some honest feedback.

Lost dog

[Paul LeBoutillier]

Originally Posted by Lostdog

Fair enough guys. I will do the best I can to learn from your suggestions. Been a tough day and I thank you for some honest feedback.

Personally I think you should be able to get on this board and ask questions without being ganged up on.

Your question was valid, albeit premature for this level of play. The mechanics of basketball are barely identifiable until kids get into around 6th grade and higher. Ref'ing a game like that is VERY challenging because these kids can barely control their bodies, to say nothing of truly understanding the dynamics of the game.

Having said that, you have the right to come onto this board and ask a question anytime. And we ought to be able to answer it with at least some level of professionalism and manners.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Paul LeBoutillier

And we ought to be able to answer it with at least some level of professionalism and manners.

Oh, is that right? The same professionalism and manners that this individual used when he was screaming at a couple of teen-aged officials, trying to intimidate them into making calls in his 9-year old daughter's favor?

Know what, Paul? Every year I have to talk to the officials that are quitting our association because they feel that it just isn't worth taking the abuse any more that they have to take from the stands. So, feel free to sympathize with these whiny parents. I'll think that I'll stick with my fellow officials.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Paul LeBoutillier

Personally I think you should be able to get on this board and ask questions without being ganged up on.

First of all no one is ganging up on anyone. You come to an open forum you and ask for opinions you are allowed to hear what those have to say. If you do not like the answers, this might not be the place for you as well as many other places will not be the right places for that person. And when you have a parent that has totally lost perspective as to what their child is doing, then they need to told what is up. This is at best a rec league that does not have the wherewithal to hire trained officials. And honestly this is a joke if someone cannot understand how silly their position is. Someone needs to tell adults that they are taking the complete and total fun out of sports for their kids. There used to be a time when kids played on their own and that was the best thing. Now we have parents that think winning some kid’s game is a right or an obligation. And they wonder why qualified and trained officials want nothing to do with these games.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I answered straight up, but I was thinking this.

I agree and I wanted to say things worse. But I am trying to live a Christian lifestyle.

Peace

[grunewar]

This was so painful to watch. Ouch. I can't even remember coaching at that level......

I hear these parents and coaches every weekend. Thankfully, small consolation, I never take games at this young an age anymore.....I just can't do it/take it.

As Clint Eastwood would say, "A man's got to know his limitations." And that's one of mine!

[just another ref]

Video link won't work for me.

[Loudwhistle]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Video link won't work for me.

Me neither, but Rich's #1 is priceless. I'm hoping tomorrow morning I can get it to download.