Moving Picks with Video question??

[jearef]

I looked at the videos you linked us to, and one thing is obvious to me. This is going to be difficult, and perhaps even offensive for you to hear, but it is true. You, and parents like you, are why kids in high school athletics have little or no concept of sportsmanship.

What in the world are you thinking? Moving pick???? Are you SERIOUS???? In the first video, the dribbler loses the basketball, and then secures it while on her knees on the floor, and we can hear you yelling about a moving pick in the background. Assuming, for the sake of argument, that it really WAS a moving pick, did it work? Was the girl who was on her knees given some sort of advanatage by virtue of the alleged moving pick?

I next moved on to the "double pick" video. There are two girls who are trying to set a pick. I can see no contact whatsoever as a result, so in answer to your question, there is no foul. But that is the least of our concerns here. I couldn't bring myself to look at the other clips, but I'm sure they are more of the same.

As you sit in the stands yelling at the teenagers who are trying to officiate something that only remotely resembles a basketball game, exactly what is it that you are trying to teach the children? If things go wrong, make sure you find someone else to blame?

I want you to try and picture something in your mind. Imagine how that game would look if the referees called each and every foul, and each and every violation, that occurred in the game. I'd be willing to bet that you couldn't go more than 20-30 seconds without having a whistle blow. And then you could start yelling "come on, they're just kids, let them play" instead of "moving pick, moving pick!!"

Honest to God, sir, you need to take a really hard look at yourself. You are so obsessed with making sure your daughter's team wins that you take the time to post video from a grade-school basketball game so you can tell someone "yeah, I asked some real referees, and they say we got cheated." And please don't come back with that "we just want a fair shake" baloney. I'm sure that for every "moving pick" that was missed against the other team, there were countless travels, double dribbles, 3-seconds, lane violations, etc., etc. that your team got away with as well. That's how it works when LITTLE CHILDREN play basketball. It isn't about winning. It's about learning.

What are YOU teaching them???

[jaybird]

Pretty comical!
Sit back, mellow out, relax and enjoy.

#1. It's not real basketball.
#2. It's not real officials.
#3. It's not real coaches.

Looks like supervised recess.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Lostdog

....... they come running to set the pick it is moving and they come from behind and wrap their arms around our girls, move with us, or hook us.

I was just begging for fair calls.

Does the video work for everybody except me?

I actually direct/officiate a league where some of the players are this young.
Much of it is basketball that only a parent could love. There are limits to what can be taught at this age, but for the "screeners" not to tackle the defenders is not too much to ask. But you are unlikely to get any satisfaction in this regard by screaming at teenagers wearing whistles.
If you are that interested, go to the league director and inquire about what it would take to hire registered officials. Likely the issue is at least partly financial and would require an increase in the entry fees for the players. Ask some of the other parents if they share your concerns and would be willing to ante up. Then proceed accordingly.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Does the video work for everybody except me?

I actually direct/officiate a league where some of the players are this young.
Much of it is basketball that only a parent could love. There are limits to what can be taught at this age, but for the "screeners" not to tackle the defenders is not too much to ask. But you are unlikely to get any satisfaction in this regard by screaming at teenagers wearing whistles.
If you are that interested, go to the league director and inquire about what it would take to hire registered officials. Likely the issue is at least partly financial and would require an increase in the entry fees for the players. Ask some of the other parents if they share your concerns and would be willing to ante up. Then proceed accordingly.

Yeah you did not see much of the video. I did not see anyone tackle each other. It was mostly bad form and laughable to call much of a foul on at least two of the videos.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Yeah you did not see much of the video. I did not see anyone tackle each other. It was mostly bad form and laughable to call much of a foul on at least two of the videos.

Peace

Reading is fundamental. I did not see any of the video. The link apparently is now dead.

[bas2456]

Why doesn't someone just post the rule so this parent can read the rule for himself, then ask for our clarification.

Instead of laughing at this parent, and the quality of basketball in the video, let's remember that we were all that young once, and some of us have officiated these leagues before. Get off your high horses and help educate one fan.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bas2456

Why doesn't someone just post the rule so this parent can read the rule for himself, then ask for our clarification.

Instead of laughing at this parent, and the quality of basketball in the video, let's remember that we were all that young once, and some of us have officiated these leagues before. Get off your high horses and help educate one fan.

You have not been here very long either. Wait until mid March through the NCAA Tournaments, you will see what we are talking about. This place will be crawling with fans that saw their high school teams lose and saw something on the NCAA Tournaments that they did not understand. And if you quoted a rule to them, where are they going to read this for themselves? I am on another site that is mostly fans and I just had a fellow official try to argue with officials a rule that was quoted out of the rulebook. This is not being on a high horse; this is realizing that no matter what you say these folks will always think they know better. And if you do not want an opinion DO NOT ASK FOR ONE!!!!

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Reading is fundamental. I did not see any of the video. The link apparently is now dead.

It was available the first time you claimed you could not see it. I even saw the video after you claimed you could not see it again. It was just removed. Then again, no one ever accused you of being on top of things.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It was available the first time you claimed you could not see it. I even saw the video after you claimed you could not see it again. It was just removed. Then again, no one ever accused you of being on top of things.

Peace

I clicked the link, and got 404 not found.........not that unusual. And then you pop off about something you know nothing about, also not unusual.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If you are that interested, go to the league director and inquire about what it would take to hire registered officials.

Better yet, volunteer to call the games yourself. Come back to this board for training/study material and let us help you become a capable official.
Win-Win. Your league gets a mature adult to call games, you get some exercise and a greatly improved perspective on youth sports.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by justacoach

Better yet, volunteer to call the games yourself. Come back to this board for training/study material and let us help you become a capable official.
Win-Win. Your league gets a mature adult to call games, you get some exercise and a greatly improved perspective on youth sports.

I don't think this is the answer. This mature adult may have less basketball experience than the kids doing the job now. As near as I can tell from some of the comments by viewers of the video, the account in the OP may not be a perfect view of the facts.