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Old Wed Jan 27, 2010, 06:33am
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1.) H1 recovers loose ball while laying on his back then sits up. I call a travel. Is this correct?

2.) H1 throws in from backcourt endline to H2 who is standing in the lane in backcourt. V1 then practically tackles H2. I call an intentional foul on V1. We shoot the 2 FT then put the ball back in play for H at the backcourt endline again. Correct?
1. No, sitting up after gaining possession while on one's back is legal per the NFHS Case Book.
2. Correct throw-in placement for resuming the game as that is the nearest OOB spot to the location of the foul.

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First year back and you are doing V? Not around here would that happen. Sitting up isn't a travel unless both feet come off the floor (which, unless the kid is Clark Kent is probable)
That is not a consideration. It is not part of the rule, never has been, and should not be used to determine traveling in this situation. The only criteria are roll over or attempt to get up or stand. That's it. Stick with them.

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second situation is that you hung your partner out to dry by engaging an AC in conversation who was only doing what he did so he could make a point.

If you are going to ignore the criticism from coaches, then you should ignore the praise too. Don't be suduced by the dark side. All coaches are lyin cheatin *******s
I agree. The coach was embarrassing your partner and you went along with it. You knew it too. The problem here is that you didn't like your partner's calls, which you referred to in your post as "a very questionable travel" and "Also very questionable."
Either walk out of the gym without saying a word to anyone and let your partner answer for his own decisions or find the intestinal fortitude to confront your partner and ask him what he saw on those plays, especially if you felt that they were in your primary coverage area. If you can't ask him why he made those calls and express your honest opinion of them to his face, then you shouldn't be posting about them on a internet forum. Unfortunately, what you participated in with the coach following the game was shameful.
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Old Wed Jan 27, 2010, 07:21am
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EHLNOLA - Any post-game with your partner? I'd be curious as to his take on what you perceived as "questionable" calls.
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Old Wed Jan 27, 2010, 07:37am
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I agree. The coach was embarrassing your partner and you went along with it. You knew it too.
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Get out of the gym when you're done. All of the participants in a close game like that are hepped up on adrenaline and rarely think straight. Nothing good ever came from such a conversation right after the game.
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Old Wed Jan 27, 2010, 09:55am
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I got reamed by a clinician at a camp a few years ago because he said when a player is done moving (sliding or other momentum) and both feet are on the floor. One foot will become the pivot. If the player sits up and both feet come off the floor, then the pivot foot was raised and lowered....hence it should've been travelling. Ironically, I didn't pass on the call...I just didn't see it. But I was written up for misunderstanding the travel rule...which I thought was heavy handed by the clinician. thats why I am careful about officiating camps now.
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Old Wed Jan 27, 2010, 12:21pm
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I got reamed by a clinician at a camp a few years ago because he said when a player is done moving (sliding or other momentum) and both feet are on the floor. One foot will become the pivot. If the player sits up and both feet come off the floor, then the pivot foot was raised and lowered....hence it should've been travelling. Ironically, I didn't pass on the call...I just didn't see it. But I was written up for misunderstanding the travel rule...which I thought was heavy handed by the clinician. thats why I am careful about officiating camps now.
Nats....

The clinician (as now you already know by your due dilligence while looking for camps) is full of hooey.
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Old Wed Jan 27, 2010, 04:35pm
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+1

Get out of the gym when you're done. All of the participants in a close game like that are hepped up on adrenaline and rarely think straight. Nothing good ever came from such a conversation right after the game.
Agree,
I'm a black and white flash once the game is over. 5 seconds is as long as I'm in the gym in most cases, the only thing I wait for is my partners. I never look around as I'm heading out either, eyes straight forward. If I end up with the ball at the end of the game, which is rare, it is placed where I'm at.
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