Early Exit

[grunewar]

Last night, BV game between two small, private schools. One team is traditionally pretty bad so I am prepared for sloppy play going in.

Two minutes left in the 2nd Quarter, TWEET! W44, Hold! Bamm, he slams the ball! Me - WHACK!

I report the fouls.

Scorer -> buzzer - that's five on W44. Me - 14 minutes into the game? Yikes! Oh well.

Earliest I've ever sent someone to the pine for good.......Anyone else have a player amass fouls so quickly?

PS - Moderator, please remove that darn thread on "How Many T's This Yr?" Since it was posted I've had a low threshold for idiocy and have issued four T's in the last five games. Gave my first Admin T for wrong number in the book yesterday.....and so the season continues!

[APG]

About 3 years ago, in an intramural league where I first started out officiating, had a player foul out in the first 10 minutes of the game (running clock too) and accumulate 2 technical fouls. If I remember correctly it went something like this:

1) I called player for his 5th foul
2) Partner assessed first technical foul
3) Not 15 seconds later, I give out his second one

So this player, all by his lonesome, put his team in the penalty. Needless to say, after the 2nd technical foul, some of the intramural staff escorted the player from the court.

[jTheUmp]

Back in my junior high playing days, I remember one game where a player on the other team entered the game for the first time with about 5 minutes left in the second quarter, and fouled out with about 3.5 minutes left in the second quarter.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Two minutes left in the 2nd Quarter, TWEET! W44, Hold! Bamm, he slams the ball! Me - WHACK!

I report the fouls.

Scorer -> buzzer - that's five on W44. Me - 14 minutes into the game? Yikes! Oh well.

You should have enough game awareness to not be surprised by this. You should have an idea when a player has three or four fouls, especially prior to the 4th quarter.
Knowing this won't alter how you call the game, but it will allow you to not mess up anything administratively. You can be more deliberate prior to administering the ensuing throw-in because the coach is likely going to want to substitute for a player with a high foul count early in the contest.
You also don't want to be administering a throw-in or FTs with a player on the floor whom the crew should be disqualifying.

[doubleringer]

A few years ago we had a kid foul out of a JV game in the 3rd quarter....he came back in off the bench in the Varsity end of the double header and fouled out of that one before the half. You would think he'd get it after the first game.

[bas2456]

I've had a player foul out in about 6:30 of actual game time. He got 4 in the first quarter, then sat out the second quarter, then picked up #5 about 30 seconds into the third quarter.

The kid had no idea of how to play under control.

[representing]

Earlier this season, I had a player with 4 fouls going into half-time. I talked with my partner and we both agreed he's gonna foul out within the first few minutes of the 2nd half. To our surprised, he played most of the 2nd half and did not get one foul. If I remember correctly, I think he even drew a charge!

Only had a couple of fouled-out players this season, but all were in the 3rd or 4th quarter. I can only think of one time in my career when I had a fouled-out player, two or three years ago in biddy wreck. This kid couldn't play defense to save his life, probably didn't know what defense was. He would constantly hit the other players arms, grab a hold of them going for the ball, etc. I gave him a lot of leeway just to see him make it to the 2nd half, but it didn't happen. Other games I did with him playing he would just barely make it to half-time, just to foul out in the beginning of the 3rd quarter.

[bbcof83]

Last year I had a girl who was really having a bad day. She looked like she didn't want to be there and everything she did was lazy, with too much force, and with indifference to whether her actions were legal or not. She played limited minutes in the sophomore game and made it to the end before fouling out with about 2 mins left.

Then, to my surprise, she started the JV game. She picked up two quick fouls in the first couple minutes. The coach left her in... Two minutes later she picks up another one. Coach is obviously beyond fed up with the attitude and basically coaches as if she has 4 players on the court. Finally, the player makes it official, fouls twice in 10 seconds and walks straight to the end of the bench. She had sat down and her sub was at the table before I even reported the foul.

10 fouls in 1.25 games. Yeesh.

[representing]

Originally Posted by bbcof83

Last year I had a girl who was really having a bad day. She looked like she didn't want to be there and everything she did was lazy, with too much force, and with indifference to whether her actions were legal or not. She played limited minutes in the sophomore game and made it to the end before fouling out with about 2 mins left.

Then, to my surprise, she started the JV game. She picked up two quick fouls in the first couple minutes. The coach left her in... Two minutes later she picks up another one. Coach is obviously beyond fed up with the attitude and basically coaches as if she has 4 players on the court. Finally, the player makes it official, fouls twice in 10 seconds and walks straight to the end of the bench. She had sat down and her sub was at the table before I even reported the foul.

10 fouls in 1.25 games. Yeesh.

Isn't that a T for leaving the court without permission?

[Mark Padgett]

Just two weeks ago, I had a 7th grade boy in a rec game foul out about five minutes into the game. After the game, I asked his coach (who I've known for quite a few years) why he left the kid in the game under those conditions. He said the kid just will not listen to instruction on how to play proper defensive position so he wants the kid to learn what the consequences are if he doesn't try to change his habits.

OK - that made a lot of sense.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by representing

Earlier this season, I had a player with 4 fouls going into half-time. I talked with my partner and we both agreed he's gonna foul out within the first few minutes of the 2nd half. To our surprised, he played most of the 2nd half and did not get one foul. If I remember correctly, I think he even drew a charge!

Only had a couple of fouled-out players this season, but all were in the 3rd or 4th quarter. I can only think of one time in my career when I had a fouled-out player, two or three years ago in biddy wreck. This kid couldn't play defense to save his life, probably didn't know what defense was. He would constantly hit the other players arms, grab a hold of them going for the ball, etc. I gave him a lot of leeway just to see him make it to the 2nd half, but it didn't happen. Other games I did with him playing he would just barely make it to half-time, just to foul out in the beginning of the 3rd quarter.

Let me get this straight: You've officiated for six years and the ONLY time you've had a player be disqualified is in a biddy game one time? Either you and your partners don't call any fouls, or you don't do that many games.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Just two weeks ago, I had a 7th grade boy in a rec game foul out about five minutes into the game.

Now why did I know Padgett would one up me?

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

You should have enough game awareness to not be surprised by this. You should have an idea when a player has three or four fouls, especially prior to the 4th quarter.

Agree. My game awareness was pretty good as this was a game where one team was over-matched (score was 33-8 at half time) and W (home) called for many more fouls than the B (visitors). I knew W15, W50, and W44 had several fouls this early in the game as we had just entered the one and one. It still caught me off guard a bit.

[Freddy]

Girls' JV last Thursday, visiting player had three fouls with 6:45 left in the first quarter. That's three fouls in 1:15 minutes.
She played sparingly enough so that she never picked up numbers four or five.

[Texas Aggie]

Anyone else have a player amass fouls so quickly?

Yeah -- ME! I fouled out (or maybe I was kicked out) about halfway through the second quarter in a HS game once. I didn't even start that year!

We had a rival that, well, played pretty dirty on their home court. They were always on their best behavior when they played at our house, but for some reason, we had problems there. Obviously, it wasn't ALL them as much as I'd like to think it was, since we never backed down and looking back now, probably looked for an excuse to get rough as we weren't that great a team. At any rate, I was sort of the designated enforcer and picked up a few fouls. My last one was particularly rough, so I was gone. I knew I had a bunch -- don't know if it was 4 or 5 and the 4th was flagrant, or what. The ref turned to me and said, "you're out of the game, son." I said, "OK," and sat down. We won, and had a police escort out of there. That wasn't the only time that year something like that happened on their court.

Needless to say, I'd never tolerate me -- at least not in that game!!

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

At any rate, I was sort of the designated enforcer

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