Six players on the court

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

Three minutes or so into the fourth quarter we have a common foul and the ball is awarded at the baseline for an inbound play. I'm Lead administering the ball, just after I hand the ball to Black a White Sub comes to the table. Trail didn't see him (nor did C or L) but the horn sounds and the player comes on the court to sub. Six players on the court is a Tech, but what I want to know is what I (as lead) could have done better and us as a crew could have done better, as well as any additional insight you have.

Thanks.

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If the sub came to the table just as you handed the ball to the player, and the horn sounded afterward, you did nothing wrong. The horn should not have sounded, and even if it did, the sub should not have entered without being beckoned.

[icallfouls]

The player running out is not something you have control over.

I would suggest that you could have blown your whistle to acknowledge the horn and stop the inbound, as oftentimes players will stop when they hear the horn.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

I would suggest that you could have blown your whistle to acknowledge the horn and stop the inbound, as oftentimes players will stop when they hear the horn.

I personally don't do this, because now you have to let the sub in and I'd prefer not to. From this situation, this T needed to be called for this player to learn.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I personally don't do this, because now you have to let the sub in and I'd prefer not to. From this situation, this T needed to be called for this player to learn.

And I would argue that the L should've seen that sub coming up to the table and withheld the throw-in. He was essentially at the X when the ball was handed to the thrower-in. The last thing I do before handing the ball is look at the table and it doesn't appear the L did.

In this situation, I'd hit the whistle, take the ball back, and allow the sub. No T. I would talk to the kid about not coming in on the horn and wait to be beckoned, but we shouldn't have had the horn in the first place.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

And I would argue that the L should've seen that sub coming up to the table and withheld the throw-in. He was essentially at the X when the ball was handed to the thrower-in. The last thing I do before handing the ball is look at the table and it doesn't appear the L did.

I disagree.

The player doesn't even appear on screen until the whistle is blown to inbound the ball. He doesn't reach the middle of the bench to report as a sub until the ball is in the player's hands.

I often have coaches who send their kid to the bench right as the ball is inbounding because they want them to be ready at the next opportunity for a substitution.

Once the whistle is blown to put the ball in play, my eyes aren't at the table. My eyes are on the players, anticipating anything that may happen.

So, Clark, I think you guys did a great job (except for the type of T that was called). This was a horn operator error, as well as the kid's fault for coming in un-beckoned, and you guys did the best you could with it.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by fiasco

I disagree.

The player doesn't even appear on screen until the whistle is blown to inbound the ball. He doesn't reach the middle of the bench to report as a sub until the ball is in the player's hands.

I often have coaches who send their kid to the bench right as the ball is inbounding because they want them to be ready at the next opportunity for a substitution.

Once the whistle is blown to put the ball in play, my eyes aren't at the table. My eyes are on the players, anticipating anything that may happen.

So, Clark, I think you guys did a great job (except for the type of T that was called). This was a horn operator error, as well as the kid's fault for coming in un-beckoned, and you guys did the best you could with it.

The whistle is irrelevant. Why is it being blown anyway?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The whistle is irrelevant. Why is it being blown anyway?

Unless it took exceptionally long to report the foul that preceded the video, I agree.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The whistle is irrelevant. Why is it being blown anyway?

I don't know why it's being blown but that's not the point. I'm using the whistle as a frame of reference.

The point is that all three officials were ready and focused the fact that the ball was actively being put in play. The player only got to the bench when the ball was already in the player's hands, meaning the ball is live. At that point, as an official, I don't focus on the bench. If the ball is in the hands of the thrower, my attention is on the action on the floor.

I don't think its fair to say, based on the video, that the officials were slacking here. The player came late to the bench, and the horn operator was at fault for sounding the horn.

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I personally don't do this, because now you have to let the sub in and I'd prefer not to. From this situation, this T needed to be called for this player to learn.

The OP asked for a possible way to prevent this which is what I offered.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

The OP asked for a possible way to prevent this which is what I offered.

Fair enough. Now, Rich makes a good point, the events (hand off and player getting to the X) are pretty close together. I'm not against his advice on this, and have done just that on occasion. If, however, the coach has made a habit of sending subs to the table at just this moment, I won't do it.

[Wellmer]

I am with RichMSN, the very last thing I do before handing the ball to the inbounder is to glance at the table. If he's close, I will just hold up and point towards the table therefore notifying the table side official that a sub is coming in. In this case, I would have killed it, since the buzzer sounded, kept the player out and started back up with the throw in. No harm done.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Wellmer

I am with RichMSN, the very last thing I do before handing the ball to the inbounder is to glance at the table. If he's close, I will just hold up and point towards the table therefore notifying the table side official that a sub is coming in. In this case, I would have killed it, since the buzzer sounded, kept the player out and started back up with the throw in. No harm done.

If you blow the whistle and kill the play, by (NFHS) rule you must allow the substitution.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Wellmer

I am with RichMSN, the very last thing I do before handing the ball to the inbounder is to glance at the table. If he's close, I will just hold up and point towards the table therefore notifying the table side official that a sub is coming in. In this case, I would have killed it, since the buzzer sounded, kept the player out and started back up with the throw in. No harm done.

You're not completely with Rich, he'd have allowed the sub.

Besides:

Originally Posted by jdw3018

If you blow the whistle and kill the play, by (NFHS) rule you must allow the substitution.