Six players on the court

[icallfouls]

The player running out is not something you have control over.

I would suggest that you could have blown your whistle to acknowledge the horn and stop the inbound, as oftentimes players will stop when they hear the horn.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

I would suggest that you could have blown your whistle to acknowledge the horn and stop the inbound, as oftentimes players will stop when they hear the horn.

I personally don't do this, because now you have to let the sub in and I'd prefer not to. From this situation, this T needed to be called for this player to learn.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I personally don't do this, because now you have to let the sub in and I'd prefer not to. From this situation, this T needed to be called for this player to learn.

And I would argue that the L should've seen that sub coming up to the table and withheld the throw-in. He was essentially at the X when the ball was handed to the thrower-in. The last thing I do before handing the ball is look at the table and it doesn't appear the L did.

In this situation, I'd hit the whistle, take the ball back, and allow the sub. No T. I would talk to the kid about not coming in on the horn and wait to be beckoned, but we shouldn't have had the horn in the first place.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

And I would argue that the L should've seen that sub coming up to the table and withheld the throw-in. He was essentially at the X when the ball was handed to the thrower-in. The last thing I do before handing the ball is look at the table and it doesn't appear the L did.

I disagree.

The player doesn't even appear on screen until the whistle is blown to inbound the ball. He doesn't reach the middle of the bench to report as a sub until the ball is in the player's hands.

I often have coaches who send their kid to the bench right as the ball is inbounding because they want them to be ready at the next opportunity for a substitution.

Once the whistle is blown to put the ball in play, my eyes aren't at the table. My eyes are on the players, anticipating anything that may happen.

So, Clark, I think you guys did a great job (except for the type of T that was called). This was a horn operator error, as well as the kid's fault for coming in un-beckoned, and you guys did the best you could with it.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by fiasco

I disagree.

The player doesn't even appear on screen until the whistle is blown to inbound the ball. He doesn't reach the middle of the bench to report as a sub until the ball is in the player's hands.

I often have coaches who send their kid to the bench right as the ball is inbounding because they want them to be ready at the next opportunity for a substitution.

Once the whistle is blown to put the ball in play, my eyes aren't at the table. My eyes are on the players, anticipating anything that may happen.

So, Clark, I think you guys did a great job (except for the type of T that was called). This was a horn operator error, as well as the kid's fault for coming in un-beckoned, and you guys did the best you could with it.

The whistle is irrelevant. Why is it being blown anyway?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The whistle is irrelevant. Why is it being blown anyway?

Unless it took exceptionally long to report the foul that preceded the video, I agree.

[doubleringer]

I would have stopped play and made the sub go back and wait for the next dead ball. I also would have taken a second to talk to the table about not hitting the horn if we're already in putting the ball in play.

Playing devil's advocate....how much of a pregame did you do with the table crew?

[Rich]

It's obvious (to me, anyway) when a coach is holding back a sub for the next opportunity. If the kid is walking up to the table and isn't delaying things for more than a second or two, I'm holding up and letting him in.

Clearly, others' mileage varies.

In this instance with the horn blowing, I'm not pulling out a sledgehammer to handle what could be done with a quick whistle and a quick word. Again, others' mileage varies.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The whistle is irrelevant. Why is it being blown anyway?

I don't know why it's being blown but that's not the point. I'm using the whistle as a frame of reference.

The point is that all three officials were ready and focused the fact that the ball was actively being put in play. The player only got to the bench when the ball was already in the player's hands, meaning the ball is live. At that point, as an official, I don't focus on the bench. If the ball is in the hands of the thrower, my attention is on the action on the floor.

I don't think its fair to say, based on the video, that the officials were slacking here. The player came late to the bench, and the horn operator was at fault for sounding the horn.

[Wellmer]

It would be safe to say then that if we wouldn't have had an inadvertant horn, the sub wouldn't have come in. Usually when the horn sounds everyone stops, for at least a split second anyway. Using common sense, I would go explain that even though the horn sounded, it was too late and I would keep the sub out. I understand since you have a dead ball now that the sub in all rights should be able to come in but from a teaching standpoint, I would keep him out because rightfully, he should not be on the floor yet

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I personally don't do this, because now you have to let the sub in and I'd prefer not to. From this situation, this T needed to be called for this player to learn.

The OP asked for a possible way to prevent this which is what I offered.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

The OP asked for a possible way to prevent this which is what I offered.

Fair enough. Now, Rich makes a good point, the events (hand off and player getting to the X) are pretty close together. I'm not against his advice on this, and have done just that on occasion. If, however, the coach has made a habit of sending subs to the table at just this moment, I won't do it.

[Wellmer]

I am with RichMSN, the very last thing I do before handing the ball to the inbounder is to glance at the table. If he's close, I will just hold up and point towards the table therefore notifying the table side official that a sub is coming in. In this case, I would have killed it, since the buzzer sounded, kept the player out and started back up with the throw in. No harm done.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Wellmer

I am with RichMSN, the very last thing I do before handing the ball to the inbounder is to glance at the table. If he's close, I will just hold up and point towards the table therefore notifying the table side official that a sub is coming in. In this case, I would have killed it, since the buzzer sounded, kept the player out and started back up with the throw in. No harm done.

If you blow the whistle and kill the play, by (NFHS) rule you must allow the substitution.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Wellmer

I am with RichMSN, the very last thing I do before handing the ball to the inbounder is to glance at the table. If he's close, I will just hold up and point towards the table therefore notifying the table side official that a sub is coming in. In this case, I would have killed it, since the buzzer sounded, kept the player out and started back up with the throw in. No harm done.

You're not completely with Rich, he'd have allowed the sub.

Besides:

Originally Posted by jdw3018

If you blow the whistle and kill the play, by (NFHS) rule you must allow the substitution.