Words can't describe.... this video.

[bbcof83]

This is not the point of this video being posted, I know. The coach was 100% deserved in his two Ts. Wanted to bring something else up that I don't think anyone has mentioned.

I'm not passing judgment and I know some people aren't going to like this but I believe a foul may have been missed. Looking at the 2nd video, when the kid pulls up for 3 on the fast break, notice how the ball continues upward. I'm no scientist but I have to believe basic physics tells us if the defender's hand is slapping down and the shooter is bringing the ball up, if the ball is contacted, that ball should be forced down or at least slow it's ascent. It goes about 12 feet in the air. Also, looks as if the shooter's left hand goes down while the ball and right arm continue up.

I have to believe there was some contact here and if there's any contact from a defender from behind we have a foul.

Thoughts?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bbcof83

This is not the point of this video being posted, I know. The coach was 100% deserved in his two Ts. Wanted to bring something else up that I don't think anyone has mentioned.

I'm not passing judgment and I know some people aren't going to like this but I believe a foul may have been missed. Looking at the 2nd video, when the kid pulls up for 3 on the fast break, notice how the ball continues upward. I'm no scientist but I have to believe basic physics tells us if the defender's hand is slapping down and the shooter is bringing the ball up, if the ball is contacted, that ball should be forced down or at least slow it's ascent. It goes about 12 feet in the air. Also, looks as if the shooter's left hand goes down while the ball and right arm continue up.

I have to believe there was some contact here and if there's any contact from a defender from behind we have a foul.

Thoughts?

Certainly could be true....and it also could possibly be true that there was a foul missed at the other end before the first "T".

But a missed call can never excuse the behavior that the coach exhibited imo.

There isn't a one of us that hasn't missed a call at some time. And I can guarantee that NO official ever wanted to miss a call either. And nobody feels worse that the official who just found out that he had missed a call. All you can do is see if you can learn something from it and then just move on to the next call.

Most coaches know that also.....will grumble a bit...and then move on too. And that's the way it should be.

Jmo.....

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by bbcof83

This is not the point of this video being posted, I know. The coach was 100% deserved in his two Ts. Wanted to bring something else up that I don't think anyone has mentioned.

I'm not passing judgment and I know some people aren't going to like this but I believe a foul may have been missed. Looking at the 2nd video, when the kid pulls up for 3 on the fast break, notice how the ball continues upward. I'm no scientist but I have to believe basic physics tells us if the defender's hand is slapping down and the shooter is bringing the ball up, if the ball is contacted, that ball should be forced down or at least slow it's ascent. It goes about 12 feet in the air. Also, looks as if the shooter's left hand goes down while the ball and right arm continue up.

I have to believe there was some contact here and if there's any contact from a defender from behind we have a foul.

Thoughts?

Agreed. I think that there was a foul on this play. I also find it interesting that he does not signal that the shot is a 3 point attempt or not (certainly the trail is not in position to see the play). The shot was close enough that some indication should have been made by the lead.

The signal he is giving does not appear to be the "foul tip" signal, but rather a signal that I typically only see used for a held ball when the shooter was unable to release the ball for a try. The signal indicates that a hand was on top of the ball preventing the upward movement for a shot. In Central Ohio, I only see that hand signal immediately after a held ball signal is given on such a try.

As you point out, the ball goes 12 feet into the air, the shooter's right hand continues upward, yet his left hand goes down toward the floor. If the defender had gotten on top of the ball or otherwise slowed the ball down, the shooter's shooting hand (RIGHT HAND) should have gone downward since it would have been behind and under the ball, not the hand that would have been on the side of the ball.

None of this excuses the actions of the coach -- particularly in the first video as we have no idea what he said in the second one.

[Adam]

It looked to me like the shooter in the 2nd video was well inside the arc.

[bbcof83]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It looked to me like the shooter in the 2nd video was well inside the arc.

No, definitely outside the arc.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bbcof83

No, definitely outside the arc.

You know, you're right. I was looking at the white arc when I watched it the first few times. He's between the two arcs.

As for the missing three signal, easily explained since the shot never really got away.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It looked to me like the shooter in the 2nd video was well inside the arc.

Clearly inside the arc. I'll add something else, and if it's been mentioned, I apologize, haven't read every post. It may have been a clear block, yet we have an airborne shooter who looks like he's fouled before returning to floor. That alone is enough for me to call a foul. Of course, the angle is bad, it's a video, and I'm a good 60 feet away.

Like taking a hit on 16, I'm always protecting the airborne shooter.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Clearly inside the arc. I'll add something else, and if it's been mentioned, I apologize, haven't read every post. It may have been a clear block, yet we have an airborne shooter who looks like he's fouled before returning to floor. That alone is enough for me to call a foul. Of course, the angle is bad, it's a video, and I'm a good 60 feet away.

Like taking a hit on 16, I'm always protecting the airborne shooter.

After further review, oops, wrong arc, although it's not clear if he's on line or not.