Words can't describe.... this video.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

Have you ever made a long distance call? You might have been wrong because you were too far away. Well, I guess I can't argue with that.

In my day to day job, I deal with safety issues. I can certainly see a safety concern (even a minor one) from 50 - 60 feet away. I think its possible to have a good look at something with some distance.

Distance offers perspective otherwise, as officials we would try to always be 3 feet away from all of our calls.

Do you have a rules reference for your safety issue? I am not finding that reference in the rulebook anywhere.

Peace

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Do you have a rules reference for your safety issue? I am not finding that reference in the rulebook anywhere.

Peace

Jeff, you are missing the point on this. I said in my 8-5 job I can see things from a distance that concern safety. If you are putting someone's life in danger, for you to dismiss it as merely my being too far away you are off base.

I realize this play is not a safety issue, but it is possible that the coach saw it better from a distance.

I get that you say there might have been a tip prior to contact with the arm.

What do you have if a ball is tipped away and is loose, a player reaches out and grabs the arm/jersey/leg of a player that is now positioned to secure the ball and is now no longer able to make a play for the ball?

[icallfouls]

fullor & Jeff

To say there are no absolutes is completely false. Jeff I know you work college ball and there are absolutes according to: 2 hands on the dribbller, and tripping the dirbbler.

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

fullor & Jeff

To say there are no absolutes is completely false. Jeff I know you work college ball and there are absolutes according to: 2 hands on the dribbller, and tripping the dirbbler.

Tripping the dribbler is a new one this year and it is being enforced by evaluators. 2 hands on the dribbler is exceptionally difficult to see, interpret, and call 100% of the time and is frankly not being enforced by evaluators unless it occurs well outside the 3-point arc.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

2 hands on the dribbler is exceptionally difficult to see, interpret, and call 100% of the time and is frankly not being enforced by evaluators unless it occurs well outside the 3-point arc.

Nonsense. It's one of the easiest calls you can make anywhere on the court if you're refereeing the defense.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

fullor & Jeff

To say there are no absolutes is completely false. Jeff I know you work college ball and there are absolutes according to: 2 hands on the dribbller, and tripping the dirbbler.

You misunderstood my point, sorry if it wasn't clear. There are no absolutes regarding what I saw on video, what the coach saw from the bench 60 feet away or what the 3 officials saw.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

Jeff, you are missing the point on this. I said in my 8-5 job I can see things from a distance that concern safety. If you are putting someone's life in danger, for you to dismiss it as merely my being too far away you are off base.

I realize this play is not a safety issue, but it is possible that the coach saw it better from a distance.

I get that you say there might have been a tip prior to contact with the arm.

What do you have if a ball is tipped away and is loose, a player reaches out and grabs the arm/jersey/leg of a player that is now positioned to secure the ball and is now no longer able to make a play for the ball?

I cannot speak for your job. That is another issue outside of officiating. Fouls are to be called by the official in the primary area. What looks bad is not a reason to call a foul. And if contact clearly with the ball was first, there better be more than what I saw to call a foul. On the other hand if contact with the body or arm took place first, then we have a foul. I can live with that too. My point is that the player did not get knocked down and if contact was with the arm did not cause the steal, I have got nothing. Steals and blocks often have body contact of some kind. That does not make them fouls.

Peace