Words can't describe.... this video.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

JR,
Did not say the "head coach", I said the bench -- which was much closer to the play than 54 feet -- more like 25 feet. Appeared to have a better angle than the official on this play.

Probably a little.

First of all none of us have a great angle. The officials are much closer to the play and just because there is contact does not mean anything. I love it when coaches ask the dumbest question of all, "There wasn't contact on that?" What the heck does that have to do with anything? All contact is not a foul. It looked like a steal to me and there might have been some contact afterward, but I cannot say that for sure looking at this (particular) tape.

I agree with JR, you are thinking like a coach. There is no way the bench had a better look than two officials on this play. No way whatsoever.

Peace

[fullor30]

I'm witholding a comment until Chseagle tells his position on this one and how the table would come into play.

[bbcoach7]

Originally Posted by fullor30

I'm witholding a comment until Chseagle tells his position on this one and how the table would come into play.

Probably what I should of done too, gosh darn it!

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

First of all none of us have a great angle. The officials are much closer to the play and just because there is contact does not mean anything. I love it when coaches ask the dumbest question of all, "There wasn't contact on that?" What the heck does that have to do with anything? All contact is not a foul. It looked like a steal to me and there might have been some contact afterward, but I cannot say that for sure looking at this (particular) tape.

I agree with JR, you are thinking like a coach. There is no way the bench had a better look than two officials on this play. No way whatsoever.

Peace

First of all, I look at a play -- not as an official, coach, player, but as a person. Secondly, the Center appears to have a terrible angle. Not only that, he did not have what it took to issue the first technical when a coach can running out after him. Expecting him to make a big call in the last 15 seconds of a three point game is something I would not expect -- whether it should be made or not.

As I stated initially, the actions of this coach were completely out of line -- including the actions during the time out on the first video. At the same time, I do not view officials' calls as being infallible. The signal the official was giving appears to be one indicating that the player could not release the ball. While the video is not clear, it appeared as though the player got much more than ball on this play.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

First of all, I look at a play -- not as an official, coach, player, but as a person. Secondly, the Center appears to have a terrible angle. Not only that, he did not have what it took to issue the first technical when a coach can running out after him. Expecting him to make a big call in the last 15 seconds of a three point game is something I would not expect -- whether it should be made or not.

Well I only look at plays like these as an official. Sorry, I have been in these situations and I do not care what a person would think without looking at this through my experiences as an official.

And honestly none of us know what was said or what was not said. That might have been part of the reason he did not give a T and his partner (who was closer) did. That has nothing to do with the ruling on the play. Now without talking to that official, we have no idea why a foul was not called and we certainly do not know why a T was not given by that official. For all you know (and me too) he might not have heard the coach at all. Not all officials have the same triggers for given Ts and to say he did not have the ball or heart is not really realistic all the time.

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

As I stated initially, the actions of this coach were completely out of line -- including the actions during the time out on the first video. At the same time, I do not view officials' calls as being infallible. The signal the official was giving appears to be one indicating that the player could not release the ball. While the video is not clear, it appeared as though the player got much more than ball on this play.

I never said the officials could not have missed the call. But I did not see anything on tape that made me feel otherwise. For all I know it was a bad call, but the official for one thing was in a much better position to see everything than this grainy video shows that is for sure. And just because the coach went off does not mean the official did something wrong on a particular call. Again, I have been there where a defender did nothing wrong or illegal, but the player with the ball falls hard to the floor. “People” want fouls to be called on plays like this. Officials should want the play to be called right. You should not call fouls based on what looks bad, you should call fouls when someone does something illegal.

Peace