Coaches standing in box

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Unfortunately, I was trained to do both shot clock operations & scoreboard/timer operations by sight & not sound.

Considering even during C-Squad & JV games, the atmosphere can be like a heated rivalry V game (lots of crowd noise, hard to hear the whistle).

Actually, upon further reflection, I realized that there are a couple of things that do need to be seen by the scorer as the game does not get stopped and this information reported. The official signaling a 3-pt goal and the number of the player making the shot.

But the first can be corrected at any future point in the game and the second isn't the end of the world if it is missed as long as the running score is kept correctly.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Actually, upon further reflection, I realized that there are a couple of things that do need to be seen by the scorer as the game does not get stopped and this information reported. The official signaling a 3-pt goal and the number of the player making the shot.

But the first can be corrected at any future point in the game and the second isn't the end of the world if it is missed as long as the running score is kept correctly.

True, but then the majority of the training I have is from when I was doing JV & C-Squad scorebook, so then I was watching the player numbers real closely as well as the ball. Basically I've extended that training into scoreboard/timer & shot clock. Although I've been working on going off of sounds as well, considering like it was mentioned earlier, it can be easier to hear a whistle than see the signal in traffic.

As of this year, for some unknown reason, the crowds that have shown up for the JV & C-Squads have been noisier & more rowdy. Also it doesn't help that those that are doing the scorebook seem to want to be fans instead of impartial observers.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

As of this year, for some unknown reason, the crowds that have shown up for the JV & C-Squads have been noisier & more rowdy. Also it doesn't help that those that are doing the scorebook seem to want to be fans instead of impartial observers.

Ah yes, more work for SuperChseagle. Control the fans, keep the scorebook, time, run the shot clock and in your spare time direct the game officials as to how the game should be called.

Keep up the great work.

Maybe you could sell tickets before the game and write it up for the local newspaper after the game also. Just a thought...

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I did give the benefit of the doubt, & did let it slide for a little bit. However when both coaches were standing side-by-side on a continual basis & obstructing the table's view of the court, after this happening for half of a quarter, is when I mentioned. All I stated was that both coaches were standing at the same time while the ball was live, nothing more.

Then this is what you should have reported -- the fact that it was interfering with your duties and how.

Your previous comment about "not getting a T" seems to give away your true intent, though.

[Time2Ref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

The 2 coaches were both approx. 6 ft. tall. The sideline in the secondary gym is only 3 ft. from the bleaches to the court boundary.

Rule:
19-4-2: No team may have two coaches 6 ft or taller.

Case:
19.2.4: A's bench coach and asst. coach are both 6 ft. tall. Table informs ref of the the coaches' height. Ruling: Request management to replace the table personnel.

Sorry, couldn't help myself

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I did not report it right away, I mentioned to U1 that I had noticed both coaches standing at the same time, when he was close enough to summon over, after he reported a foul. I didn't request a T or anything.
Both coaches were standing while the ball was live, & they were standing in such a way that it did interfere with table operations.

Neither coach got T'd cause of my actions, but they were more closely watched.

I didn't know this was an option for table personnel.

Why is it something that even came into your thought process when typing this post?

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Ah yes, more work for SuperChseagle. Control the fans, keep the scorebook, time, run the shot clock and in your spare time direct the game officials as to how the game should be called.

Keep up the great work....

Wow. Are we sure this isn't Diebler posting under an assumed name? Seems like the only thing missing is halftime popcorn sales.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Ah yes, more work for SuperChseagle.

Perfectly said

-Josh

[Upward ref]

Extra mustard on my hot dog please !

[bbcoach7]

What is it with the scorers table guys? Ours seems to believe he's the only one capable of setting up the equipment and plugging it in. About once a season, we set it up for him just to watch him fuss and fret when he shows up 5 minutes before the tip. He'll unplug everything and then plug it back in exactly the way we did it, muttering to his self the whole time. It's obviously a control issue. I've been told that he narrates the entire game out loud quietly, so if you're sitting beside him, it's non-stop chatter. People have asked him to stop, told him it's distracting, but he'll never stop, apparently he can't. Durring our home tournament, we were playing, and while the opponent was in possession of the ball I heard a voice loudly calling out, "7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2," as the shot clock ran down. I looked over at the table and it was him! WTF?!? First oportunity I got I walked the several steps to the table and said, "When you loudly announce the shot clock winding down, you're helping our opponent." I was later told by home book that he didn't say a word for 5 minutes or more, and when he finally spoke, it was to rant about me. Whatever, I don't care, just as long as he stops coujnting down the shot clock.

And if he can't see the official because I'm standing, well maybe he should stand up!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

C-Squad game tonight, visiting team through the 2nd half of the game had 2 coaches standing up throughout.

You need to immediately inform the R that he's neglecting his duties and failing to maintain control of the visiting team's bench. If he further neglects, then inform the U.
Should he fail to take immediate and decisive action, talk to your AD. Call him on his cell phone. If he tells you to let it go, call the state. If that doesn't work, you may want to go straight to POTUS at this point. Ask him for some change.

[bbcoach7]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I didn't know this was an option for table personnel.

He can request that you bring him his free hot dog at the half, doesn't mean he's ever going to get it

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by bbcoach7

What is it with the scorers table guys? Ours seems to believe he's the only one capable of setting up the equipment and plugging it in. About once a season, we set it up for him just to watch him fuss and fret when he shows up 5 minutes before the tip. He'll unplug everything and then plug it back in exactly the way we did it, muttering to his self the whole time. It's obviously a control issue. I've been told that he narrates the entire game out loud quietly, so if you're sitting beside him, it's non-stop chatter. People have asked him to stop, told him it's distracting, but he'll never stop, apparently he can't. Durring our home tournament, we were playing, and while the opponent was in possession of the ball I heard a voice loudly calling out, "7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2," as the shot clock ran down. I looked over at the table and it was him! WTF?!? First oportunity I got I walked the several steps to the table and said, "When you loudly announce the shot clock winding down, you're helping our opponent." I was later told by home book that he didn't say a word for 5 minutes or more, and when he finally spoke, it was to rant about me. Whatever, I don't care, just as long as he stops coujnting down the shot clock.

And if he can't see the official because I'm standing, well maybe he should stand up!

Concerning the shot clock countdown, when I'm doing shot clock in the main gym, I've been asked to do that so that the timer can buzz the horn due to the shot clock buzzer not being very loud. However I do the countdown so that the timer can hear it, but no one else (or so I think, I hope).

I try to get to the gym about an hour before the 1st game to assist with setup, however all I do is assist with getting the scorers' tables setup.

Last night was an experiment with the secondary gym table setup. The AD said nothing concerning the setup, so he had no complaints. Basically for my alma mater, the table setup is up to the timer. I just moved the books around to where they were next to each other with the scoreboard/timer & shot clock next to each other.

The main gym setup (started operation in 1994) has a scorers' table on the floor with the benches on either side, although this setup has only been in use for the last 2 years. The secondary gym setup (the secondary gym is about 40 years old) has the scorers' table in the middle of wood manual pullout bleachers with the personnel sitting 3 rows up, the benches on either side.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Ah yes, more work for SuperChseagle. Control the fans, keep the scorebook, time, run the shot clock and in your spare time direct the game officials as to how the game should be called.

Keep up the great work.

Maybe you could sell tickets before the game and write it up for the local newspaper after the game also. Just a thought...

Jurassic,

I've done a couple of games where I've done both scoreboard/timer & shot clock at the same time, it isn't as easy to do for me though as I thought.

When I am doing a position, I concerntrate on the duties of that position only & not everything else, unless it can affect the duties of that position.

Actually the local newspaper needs a fresh perspective of writing, however I don't remember details that well to write every little scoring play down.

Due to not having a Food Handlers' Card, I will not work concessions.

All I did concerning the coaches was mentioned that it was happening, I didn't quote the rules book. I did mention that with both coaches standing, that neither I or the shot clock operator was able to have clear view of the court. I realize that there's times that a team may be standing especially in the heat of the moment, or that a coach may be calling plays to the team, however both coaches were just standing there to be standing there.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If that doesn't work, you may want to go straight to POTUS at this point. Ask him for some change.

Not practical. Due to the number of metal detectors he passes through, POTUS carries no change.