Coaches standing in box

[chseagle]

C-Squad game tonight, visiting team through the 2nd half of the game had 2 coaches standing up throughout.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by chseagle

C-Squad game tonight, visiting team through the 2nd half of the game had 2 coaches standing up throughout.

Whatcha' want us to do about it? lol

Or was there a question?

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Whatcha' want us to do about it? lol

Or was there a question?

Well the question is as I was wanting someone to ask 1st, is only one coach is allowed to stand except during timeouts correct?

I did notify U1 about it when he came over to report a foul, but the coaches seemed to always be sitting when the officials were looking their way. Considering it was interfering were table operations.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I did notify U1 about it when he came over to report a foul, but the coaches seemed to always be sitting when the officials were looking their way. Considering it was interfering were table operations.

I had to quote this post just to preserve it.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I did notify U1 about it ................

Haven't you already been warned about this?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Well the question is as I was wanting someone to ask 1st, is only one coach is allowed to stand except during timeouts correct?

I did notify U1 about it when he came over to report a foul, but the coaches seemed to always be sitting when the officials were looking their way. Considering it was interfering were table operations.

10-4
The head coach is responsible for his/her own conduct and behavior, as well as substitutes, disqualified team members and all other bench personnel. Bench personnel, including the head coach, shall not:

10-4-4
Stand in the team bench area while the clock is running or is stopped, and must remain seated, except:
a. The head coach as in 10-5-1
b. When a team member is reporting to the scorer's table
c. During a charged time-out, as in 5-12-5, or the intermission between quarters and extra periods.
d. To spontaneously react to an outstanding play by a team member or to acknowledge a replaced player(s), but must immediately return to his/her seat.


Also, I would avoid telling the R, U1, or U2 what to do or what they aren't doing unless you want to find a different seat.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by tjones1

10-4
The head coach is responsible for his/her own conduct and behavior, as well as substitutes, disqualified team members and all other bench personnel. Bench personnel, including the head coach, shall not:

10-4-4
Stand in the team bench area while the clock is running or is stopped, and must remain seated, except:
a. The head coach as in 10-5-1
b. When a team member is reporting to the scorer's table
c. During a charged time-out, as in 5-12-5, or the intermission between quarters and extra periods.
d. To spontaneously react to an outstanding play by a team member or to acknowledge a replaced player(s), but must immediately return to his/her seat.


Also, I would avoid telling the R, U1, or U2 what to do or what they aren't doing unless you want to find a different seat.

I did not report it right away, I mentioned to U1 that I had noticed both coaches standing at the same time, when he was close enough to summon over, after he reported a foul. I didn't request a T or anything.

Both coaches were standing while the ball was live, & they were standing in such a way that it did interfere with table operations.

Neither coach got T'd cause of my actions, but they were more closely watched.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Haven't you already been warned about this?

I did give the benefit of the doubt, & did let it slide for a little bit. However when both coaches were standing side-by-side on a continual basis & obstructing the table's view of the court, after this happening for half of a quarter, is when I mentioned. All I stated was that both coaches were standing at the same time while the ball was live, nothing more.

[just another ref]

Interfered with table operations...............how?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Interfered with table operations...............how?

He believes that he can't see because more than one person is standing and blocking his view.

Not sure what he needs to see. The Trail now chops on end line throw-ins for this very reason. Everything else that the table crew does is on sound.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

He believes that he can't see because more than one person is standing and blocking his view.

Not sure what he needs to see. The Trail now chops on end line throw-ins for this very reason. Everything else that the table crew does is on sound.

They were also blocking the view of the shot clock operator, in case of reset due to change of team control, in that part of the court.

As we have the 35-sec. shot clock for boys' games now.

The coaches tried doing the same thing during Boys' V, but the officials gave them a warning (I didn't say anything) & they ceased doing it.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

They were also blocking the view of the shot clock operator, in case of reset due to change of team control, in that part of the court.

As we have the 35-sec. shot clock for boys' games now.

It is a legitimate point that the shot clock operator needs to see the action in order to properly reset and start the device.

However, I'm having a hard time visualizing the table set up and the angle of view which would cause anyone standing in the team bench area to block the view of the table crew from more than a few feet of the playing court.

Consider what happens in the final few moments of close games when the entire bench jumps up to cheer about a play. I don't see this as anything more challenging to the shot clock operator, but I do note the difference in that the situation with an assistant coach isn't a legal action. So the point is that interference which shouldn't be occurring because the person isn't allowed to be in the way should be stopped.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

It is a legitimate point that the shot clock operator needs to see the action in order to properly reset and start the device.

However, I'm having a hard time visualizing the table set up and the angle of view which would cause anyone standing in the team bench area to block the view of the table crew from more than a few feet of the playing court.

Consider what happens in the final few moments of close games when the entire bench jumps up to cheer about a play. I don't see this as anything more challenging to the shot clock operator, but I do note the difference in that the situation with an assistant coach isn't a legal action. So the point is that interference which shouldn't be occurring because the person isn't allowed to be in the way should be stopped.

The set-up in the secondary gym has the scorers' table right in the middle of the bleachers, with the personnel sitting 3 rows up, instead of separately from the bleachers. Both benches are right next to the scorers' table on the court. The coaches' box is located right next to the scorers' table as well. The shot clock controls are next to the visitors' bench (however that might get changed around if the AD agrees to it).

The 2 coaches were both approx. 6 ft. tall. The sideline in the secondary gym is only 3 ft. from the bleaches to the court boundary.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

He believes that he can't see because more than one person is standing and blocking his view.

Not sure what he needs to see. The Trail now chops on end line throw-ins for this very reason. Everything else that the table crew does is on sound.

Unfortunately, I was trained to do both shot clock operations & scoreboard/timer operations by sight & not sound.

Considering even during C-Squad & JV games, the atmosphere can be like a heated rivalry V game (lots of crowd noise, hard to hear the whistle).

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I did give the benefit of the doubt, & did let it slide for a little bit. However when both coaches were standing side-by-side on a continual basis & obstructing the table's view of the court, after this happening for half of a quarter, is when I mentioned. All I stated was that both coaches were standing at the same time while the ball was live, nothing more.

That was big of you.