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Rules questions...
First scenario:
Player from team A is taking the ball out of bounds underneath team B's basket. He attempts to throw the ball long, but it hits the underneath portion of the backboard. The ball bounces directly to the floor. Once he establishes positioning on the court, can player A be the first person to touch the ball? Second scenario: Player from team A attempts to throw a skip pass to a teammate from one corner to the other. The pass strikes the side of the rim and caroms back to the passer. Can he retrieve the pass without committing a violation? |
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The case you cite, if properly called, results in a violation. The fact that it hits the the underneath portion of the backboard is irrelevant. Quote:
Though not perfectly parallel, a valid assessment of the case you cite might be drawn from this similar situation. No violation. Others will no doubt give better (or correct?) answers shortly, I'm sure. Thank you for prompting me to review these rules and situations! Last edited by Freddy; Sat Jan 09, 2010 at 11:37am. |
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I'll Play Alex ...
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touches or is touched by another player. Quote:
1) Official deems this a try: He can legally retrieve the pass, and may legally start a dribble. 2) Official deems this to be a pass, not a fumble, and the player did not start a dribble, or lift a pivot foot, before he passed: Player can legally either legally pick up the end of his "dribble", or he can legally continue his dribble by batting the ball to the floor. 3) Official deems this to be a pass, not a fumble, and the player has already started, and stopped, his dribble before he passes: He cannot legally retrieve the pass. Freddy posted while I was typing my answer, so I will help him out by posting his citation. After Freddy's post, I'm not so sure of my answer #3 above. I'm sure an esteemed member will be along shortly to help us out. 9.5 SITUATION: A1 dribbles and comes to a stop after which he/she throws the ball against: (a) his/her own backboard; (b) the opponent’s backboard; or (c) an official and catches the ball after each. RULING: Legal in (a); a team’s own backboard is considered part of that team’s “equipment” and may be used. In (b) and (c), A1 has violated; throwing the ball against an opponent’s backboard or an official constitutes another dribble, provided A1 is first to touch the ball after it strikes the official or the board. (4-4-5; 4-15-2; Fundamental 19) I also like Freddy's post of, "Thank you for prompting me to review these rules and situations!". That's why I log onto the Forum everyday, to review rules and situations, and I've been officiating almost thirty years. One can never stop reviewing rules and situations, and you can teach an old dog new tricks.
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That said, I doubt I would rule this a pass if it hits the rim and rebounds to the shooter.
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In the first scenario, I'm thinking that an attempted long pass that hits the bottom and "bounces directly to the floor" has partially hit the back of the backboard, and would therefore be a throw-in violation. Obviously HTBT in order to really be sure what "bounces directly to the floor" really means.
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![]() He said that the ball hit the "underneath portion" of the backboard, not the back of the backboard. The bottom of the backboard is in play. And....if the ball "bounces directly to the floor" either straight down or forward, that's perfectly legal also. Legal play imo from the original description...unless he lied to us. ![]() |
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The only way for the ball to loose all of its forward momentum and go straight down is from some contact with the back of the board. Contact with only the bottom surface of the board would have only changed the up/down component of the balls movement and the ball would have proceeded beyond the backboard.
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Stoopid NFHS rulesmaker monkeys. |
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And it is only logical that the back facing part of any padding would be an extension of the back of the board itself. That wouldn't be the first or last time someone issued a ruling void if any intelligence.
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