T Up a Fan?!?

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by chseagle

As I stated beforehand, the parent going out onto the floor is a cause & effect.

True, the game has been stopped, but how often in situations of a student-athlete being injured, is a parent actually summoned to come down for assistance?

How wluld the NCAA or NBA/WNBA handle the situation if a player was injured & the player's parent(s) came rushing to their side in the middle of the court?

Same thing can be asked of NFL, MLB, NASCAR, MLS, NHL, IFL, AF1, WWE, TNA, & other sports officials, no matter what the sport is.

For example: what would happen if David Stockton (son of John Stockton) got injured when Gonzaga was playing against the University of Portland, & John (his father) came rushing down onto the court to be by his son's side although he wasn't summoned/given permission?

You are a control freak. I have no doubt. Your argument is baseless. The difference between any of the leagues you mentioned and high school sports is that THESE ARE CHILDREN!!! As I said there is no way to have a rational argument with the irrational.

There are exactly two people arguing for the case of calling a T because a parent comes onto the court unbeckoned to attend to their injured child. You are both power mongers. A solution looking for a problem. Hammers looking for a nail....

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Smitty, I've been told on more than 1 occasion from the floor officials that the table can intervene if they feel a rule is not being followed to the extent that the rule is something that the table has knowledge of.

Oh and in any situation where I didn't ask you for your help and you pulled this one out of your a$$, especially this situation, my response would be a firm "Shut up or I will have you replaced".

[zm1283]

chseagle (clock/crowd control boy) has worn out his welcome on this board if you ask me.

[sseltser]

Originally Posted by chseagle

The parent coming onto the floor without being summoned is considered unporting behavior by a spectator

This is not punishable by a technical foul under 2-8-1. Read (actually read) 2-8-1 and tell me what these spectators have done that interfere with the proper conduct of the game. In addition to that, the 2-8-1 also states to use discretion, so even if you find something that interferes with the proper conduct of the game, it has to be so painfully obvious that it definitely deserves to be penalized and the penalty is "just" to the offending team*. (*Even though the action isn't by a team member.)

[Upward ref]

i've had the parent "kind of" shove me out of the way to see about her injured kid. this after encouraging him loudly to : grab the ball , get him ! i'm glad to get the advice of get out of the way and spread out .

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I haven't stepped back at all. You simply didn't grasp my position correctly from the beginning.


No different than a coach rushing onto the court without proper permission.

Whack, buh-bye.

The NFHS rules on this are clear. People need permission to enter the court.

10.4.5 SITUATION B: A fight breaks out between A1 and B1 during a dead-ball
and clock-stopped situation. The head coach of Team A rushes onto the court.
RULING: A1 and B1 are charged with flagrant technical fouls and are disqualified.
No free throws are awarded for the double technical foul by A1 and B1. Since the
coach was not beckoned onto the court by an official, he/she is charged with a
flagrant technical foul and is disqualified. Team B is awarded two free throws and
the ball for a throw-in at the division line opposite the table.

In cases of fights and injuries if the HC comes on the court I consider him/her beckoned. I am not going to whack them for that. Call me a coward.

[APG]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

In cases of fights and injuries if the HC comes on the court I considered him/her beckoned. I am not going to whack them for that. Call me a coward.

Kind of similar, in the Texas A&M vs Washington game, the A&M coach rushed onto the court after Derick Roland broke his leg...during live play. Using common sense, they didn't go by the latter of the law and give the head coach a technical foul though he technically wasn't beckoned onto the court.

[icallfouls]

Nevada is ... unbelievable!

OK, lets suppose that you are the one in need of medical treatment. Let's say you are having symptoms of a heart attack.

There are no trainers there to assist you, but one of the players parents happens to be a heart surgeon. They come running onto the floor.

You are saying that you would T the guy up for interfering with the game. I hope he doesn't take it personally since it is going to cost his kid's team 2 FT's and the ball in a 1 pt game with less than a minute to go.

Great call ref , at least you had the last word.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by zm1283

chseagle (clock/crowd control boy) has worn out his welcome on this board if you ask me.

Mostly because he states that pro wrestling is a sport and uses "sports officials". Can't give any credibility to anyone who thinks that.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Mostly because he states that pro wrestling is a sport and uses "sports officials". Can't give any credibility to anyone who thinks that.

Not a sport? Doesn't use sports officials??





You need more proof than this?

Plenty of crowd control at that event, I'll bet.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Photo of two actors.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

1. In other words, would allow the medical personnel the room needed to perform their duties without direct interference. When I said "be one" I was meaning be side-by-side to their injured child with direct interference to medical personnel. There always are extenuating circumstances, no matter how a person sees things. However, a person of sound mind & judgement would allow the medical personnel the room needed to perform their duties for the treatment of the injured.

2. A parent running out onto the court to be by the side of their injured child, is not considered at the time to be of sound mind & judgement.

3. A parent can still be involved in the decisions of a child's medical treatment without being right there directly next to the child.

I'm putting myself in the place of the parent here rather than the official.

1. You will not stop me, and any attempt will be met with force. It may or may not be right, but that's how it is; so your best bet is to stay out of the way. You will not stop me from being at my child's side. You will not determine whether I'm interfering with medical personnel. Don't even try it.

2. You are not qualified to determine whether I am of sound mind. Any attempts to get between me and my child by you are likely to affect my sound mind, however. I'm normally not a violent person, nor are most people. Try separating a parent from their child, however, and things change drastically and quickly.

3. Perhaps, but you do not get to make that choice. The parent does.

Why do you insist in telling a parent in this situation what's best for them? How old are you again? Do you have children?

Medical first responders are trained to deal with parents here, because they have to get their input and permission to so much as give them pain killers.

And to answer a question Nevada asked before. Would I go in the ambulance? If there was room, you're damned right I would. If not, I'd be there ASAP. Let's just say the odds of me beating the ambulance to the hospital are pretty good.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Photo of two actors.

Actors? Say it ain't so!! One finely conditioned athlete and one highly trained professional sports official.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

As I stated beforehand, the parent going out onto the floor is a cause & effect.

True, the game has been stopped, but how often in situations of a student-athlete being injured, is a parent actually summoned to come down for assistance?

How wluld the NCAA or NBA/WNBA handle the situation if a player was injured & the player's parent(s) came rushing to their side in the middle of the court?

Same thing can be asked of NFL, MLB, NASCAR, MLS, NHL, IFL, AF1, WWE, TNA, & other sports officials, no matter what the sport is.

For example: what would happen if David Stockton (son of John Stockton) got injured when Gonzaga was playing against the University of Portland, & John (his father) came rushing down onto the court to be by his son's side although he wasn't summoned/given permission?

It depends. If it was a Jay Burson type injury, I doubt anyone would say anything. If it was an ankle roll, John isn't coming down.
Mainly, though, it's not the same thing. You're talking about adults verses 14-18 year old kids.

And Smitty's right, if a scorer so much as mentioned calling a T to me in this situation, I'd firmly remind him to mind his own duties and stay out of mine. Frankly, that goes for a lot of the things you think the scorer can jump in on.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

And to answer a question Nevada asked before. Would I go in the ambulance? If there was room, you're damned right I would. If not, I'd be there ASAP. Let's just say the odds of me beating the ambulance to the hospital are pretty good.

My son was involved in bike vs. truck accident at home while I'll was at work. My job is twice as far from the hospital as my job, but I beat the ambulance there by a long shot.