T Up a Fan?!?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

So, even though you have taken a slight step back on this matter,...

I haven't stepped back at all. You simply didn't grasp my position correctly from the beginning.

Originally Posted by just another ref

...if the kid falls in a screaming mass and the parent quickly steps out to attend without first being properly identified, you still would consider this to be "conduct which interferes with the orderly progress of the game?"

No different than a coach rushing onto the court without proper permission.

Whack, buh-bye.

The NFHS rules on this are clear. People need permission to enter the court.

10.4.5 SITUATION B: A fight breaks out between A1 and B1 during a dead-ball
and clock-stopped situation. The head coach of Team A rushes onto the court.
RULING: A1 and B1 are charged with flagrant technical fouls and are disqualified.
No free throws are awarded for the double technical foul by A1 and B1. Since the
coach was not beckoned onto the court by an official, he/she is charged with a
flagrant technical foul and is disqualified. Team B is awarded two free throws and
the ball for a throw-in at the division line opposite the table.

[Smitty]

Wow - big difference between coming onto the court because of a fight and an injured player. I just don't get your logic.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Wow - big difference between coming onto the court because of a fight and an injured player. I just don't get your logic.

The NFHS doesn't think so.

[just another ref]

You hold the coach and the parent of an injured player to the same standard??

Interesting.

[Mark Padgett]

Ya' know, Nevadaref is right. A few seasons ago, I was training a HS kid to ref in a rec league game that was 3rd-4th grade girls. One of the girls went up to dunk the ball and wedged her wrist between the rim and the backboard and her arm ripped right off. When she fell to the floor, she bashed her head open. Her arm socket was shooting blood and there was brain matter falling out of the top of her open head.

Of course I waited for the other team, who had got the rebound, to finish their fast break before I blew the whistle and then beckoned the coach out. Then the girl's 90 year old grandmother stumbled out of the bleachers using her walker to come over to the girl. As soon as she stepped onto the court, I immediately physically picked her up off the floor, carried her to the door and threw her into the parking lot.

After all, she had no business coming out onto the floor, since I'm sure the girl's parents signed a waiver.

Oh yeah - I also hit that team with a flagrant technical and then I told the coach the girl couldn't return until the first dead ball following the ball becoming live.

That's what the rule says I should have done, right Nevadaref?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by mark padgett

ya' know, nevadaref is right. A few seasons ago, i was training a hs kid to ref in a rec league game that was 3rd-4th grade girls. One of the girls went up to dunk the ball and wedged her wrist between the rim and the backboard and her arm ripped right off. When she fell to the floor, she bashed her head open. Her arm socket was shooting blood and there was brain matter falling out of the top of her open head.

Of course i waited for the other team, who had got the rebound, to finish their fast break before i blew the whistle and then beckoned the coach out. Then the girl's 90 year old grandmother stumbled out of the bleachers using her walker to come over to the girl. As soon as she stepped onto the court, i immediately physically picked her up off the floor, carried her to the door and threw her into the parking lot.

After all, she had no business coming out onto the floor, since i'm sure the girl's parents signed a waiver.

Oh yeah - i also hit that team with a flagrant technical and then i told the coach the girl couldn't return until the first dead ball following the ball becoming live.

That's what the rule says i should have done, right nevadaref?

way too much eggnog.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I haven't stepped back at all. You simply didn't grasp my position correctly from the beginning.


No different than a coach rushing onto the court without proper permission.

Whack, buh-bye.

The NFHS rules on this are clear. People need permission to enter the court.

10.4.5 SITUATION B: A fight breaks out between A1 and B1 during a dead-ball
and clock-stopped situation. The head coach of Team A rushes onto the court.
RULING: A1 and B1 are charged with flagrant technical fouls and are disqualified.
No free throws are awarded for the double technical foul by A1 and B1. Since the
coach was not beckoned onto the court by an official, he/she is charged with a
flagrant technical foul and is disqualified. Team B is awarded two free throws and
the ball for a throw-in at the division line opposite the table.

In cases of fights and injuries if the HC comes on the court I consider him/her beckoned. I am not going to whack them for that. Call me a coward.

[APG]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

In cases of fights and injuries if the HC comes on the court I considered him/her beckoned. I am not going to whack them for that. Call me a coward.

Kind of similar, in the Texas A&M vs Washington game, the A&M coach rushed onto the court after Derick Roland broke his leg...during live play. Using common sense, they didn't go by the latter of the law and give the head coach a technical foul though he technically wasn't beckoned onto the court.

[icallfouls]

Nevada is ... unbelievable!

OK, lets suppose that you are the one in need of medical treatment. Let's say you are having symptoms of a heart attack.

There are no trainers there to assist you, but one of the players parents happens to be a heart surgeon. They come running onto the floor.

You are saying that you would T the guy up for interfering with the game. I hope he doesn't take it personally since it is going to cost his kid's team 2 FT's and the ball in a 1 pt game with less than a minute to go.

Great call ref , at least you had the last word.