blarge- POI or AP

[bleurose]

Pardon my TOTAL ignorance but I am new here LOL:

I assume POI means point of infraction...

And AP means alternating possession...

But WTF is a "blarge"? ROFLMFAO!!!

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by bleurose

Pardon my TOTAL ignorance but I am new here LOL:

I assume POI means point of infraction...

And AP means alternating possession...

But WTF is a "blarge"? ROFLMFAO!!!

Close... POI = Point Of Interruption

Yes... AP = Alternating Possession

Blarge = Block Charge

[Back In The Saddle]

In more detail, a "Blarge" is when one official calls a block on a play and the other official calls a charge. Both come up with a definite preliminary signal. Let the fun begin.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

In more detail, a "Blarge" is when one official calls a block on a play and the other official calls a charge. Both come up with a definite preliminary signal. Let the fun begin.

Nothing ever written says preliminary signal, definite or otherwise, = a call.

Are we having fun yet?

[Back In The Saddle]

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. But if I come up with block, and my partner comes up with charge, we've got ourselves a blarge.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. But if I come up with block, and my partner comes up with charge, we've got ourselves a blarge.

If you both made a call, and each of you thinks his call was undeniably right and you each wish to stick with it at all cost, then without a doubt you have a blarge. This is spelled out in the now famous case 4.19.8 Situation C, even though I could never have come to this conclusion by reading the rule book. But there is nothing in this case which says that a preliminary signal is binding in making this call.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If you both made a call, and each of you thinks his call was undeniably right and you each wish to stick with it at all cost, then without a doubt you have a blarge.

We had this debate before. IIRC, you were alone in your view that officials' preliminary signals did not constitute a "call" for the purpose of enforcing the "blarge rule."

The majority view was, as BITS suggests, that a prelim signal constitutes a call. You can't unring the bell.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Famous case 4.19.8 Situation C.

It's the infamous 4.19.8 Situation C.

[cdaref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

In more detail, a "Blarge" is when one official calls a block on a play and the other official calls a charge. Both come up with a definite preliminary signal. Let the fun begin.

Let's not forget the world's worst blarge--when called by one official: one hand behind head in a player control signal and the other on hip in a partial block signal.

I've never seen it, but I've heard it has happened.

[cdaref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. But if I come up with block, and my partner comes up with charge, we've got ourselves a blarge.

No, you've got yourself a conference where one of you two is going to be a grown up, defer the call, and get a single call because it can't really be both a block and a charge. You are absolutely NOT going to both insist your call is right and not back down. If a crew cant get together and get this right, that is just lame.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by cdaref

Let's not forget the world's worst blarge--when called by one official: one hand behind head in a player control signal and the other on hip in a partial block signal.

I've never seen it, but I've heard it has happened.

I had a cchhaarrggee once!

[cdaref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. But if I come up with block, and my partner comes up with charge, we've got ourselves a blarge.

By the way, BITS, I presume you are speaking in the hypothetical that that is the way to actually get a blarge. I hope you will agree that in any crew you work that is not actually ever going to happen, despite its hypothetical possibility.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by cdaref

By the way, BITS, I presume you are speaking in the hypothetical that that is the way to actually get a blarge. I hope you will agree that in any crew you work that is not actually ever going to happen, despite its hypothetical possibility.

I've seen it happen to some very good officials, so I won't presume to declare it'll never happen to me. Even if I ever actually get good at it.

[ocreferee]

Originally Posted by cdaref

No, you've got yourself a conference where one of you two is going to be a grown up, defer the call, and get a single call because it can't really be both a block and a charge. You are absolutely NOT going to both insist your call is right and not back down. If a crew cant get together and get this right, that is just lame.

In NCAA women's you are correct. We get together and go with the primary officials call. In NFHS and NCAA men's it has to be a double foul.
NFHS case 4.19.8 Situation C

[Adam]

Originally Posted by cdaref

No, you've got yourself a conference where one of you two is going to be a grown up, defer the call, and get a single call because it can't really be both a block and a charge. You are absolutely NOT going to both insist your call is right and not back down. If a crew cant get together and get this right, that is just lame.

The rule is if both officials give preliminary signals, you cannot defer (in spite of what jar says above) to your partner. In NFHS and NCAA-M, being a grown up means going by the prescribed mechanic and calling the double foul.