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Jump ball or out of bounds?
I was working a game at a camp using 3 person crews. Player a1 in transition just over mid court near sideline jumps in the air to throw over head pass. b1 jumps as well and the pass is stuffed. b1 lands out of bounds with both players still touching the ball. We have a double whistle as trail calls out of bounds and lead calls jump.
I have been thinking about this and still not sure of correct call. What would be correct, with rules reference? This was NCAAW but would like NFHS as well. My thought is that the oob would be correct because you would need to land to get to the jump ball ruling. Of course that was my original call as well, so my bias shows. |
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Well, this may be the issue. 4-25-2 says, "A held ball occurs when...an opponent places his/her hand(s) on the ball and prevents an airborne player from throwing the ball or releasing it on a try." If they have to land, they wouldn't be airborne anymore, right?
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It's like lifting the pivot foot before the ball is released: you have to see whether it's released for a dribble or a pass. The travel happens when the pivot foot is lifted, but you can call a violation only after the player dribbles. I do some metaphysics and other hair splitting for my day job.
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I don't agree here. Where does it say you have to wait to make the call? Now, I agree that many officials may wait to see if the ball truly was prevented from being released before the player landed, or, in other words, having a patient whistle to watch the whole play. But I don't know of any requirement that the player has to land before the call is "official", so to speak. In your traveling example, what happens after the player releases the ball is important in determing whether a violation occured - was it a dribble or pass? In the held ball example, the held ball occured in the air, so there's no requirement to wait. See, I can hair-split with the best of them.
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So A1 jumps to shoot the ball, B5 caps the ball so it cannot be released. Are you saying we shouldn't call the held ball until they land??
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I'm waiting. I've had my shot capped a few times but was still strong enough to release it before I landed. In fact it happened to me today in lunch-time ball. Unfortunately a 2nd defender swatted my sh!t.
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"An opponent places his/her hand on the ball and prevents an airborne player from throwing the ball or releasing it on a try. The OP and this is covered under situation for 4.25.2 since a held ball came first; HELD ball is the correct call Last edited by ILMalti; Thu Jul 02, 2009 at 12:46pm. |
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and as in your case "... prevents an airborne player from...." (4.25.2) neither seem to apply here Hopefully a shooting foul was called |
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You called the foul, right |
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I did edit my post Thank you I hope for a good call once in awhile |
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What if the ball is released before the shooter returns to the floor?
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On the other hand if the shooter jumped in the air and as the defender was approaching dropped the ball on the floor, very different situation. Perhaps a bit more details is required please. |
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