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Old Sat Jan 31, 2004, 02:57am
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I know Dick Vitale argues about this all the time--how in college they should get rid of the arrow and go with the actual jump ball.

Would you be in favor of this at the high school level?

Just thinking/typing out loud...
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Old Sat Jan 31, 2004, 07:27am
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JB vs AP

I think they should leave HS AP as it is. Sometimes at the high school level, more often on frosh/jv, I've seen tree and stump going at it for the tip-off. There's some teams out there with the height of a wide-open prarie and what can they do, its really no big deal in the long run to lose the tip-off, but to have to go up against the redwood and lose everytime? Hmmm. And how bout those frosh/jv's where there's more ap's than shot attempts. I say yyuk.
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Old Sat Jan 31, 2004, 10:42am
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Gotta keep it for high school, especially girls. In some games, you can have as many as 10 held balls. All those actual jumps just slow the game down even more.
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Old Sat Jan 31, 2004, 02:37pm
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Alternating possession is an abomination upon the game of basketball.
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Old Sat Jan 31, 2004, 03:47pm
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So is the fact that they widened the lane because of one player...oh wait, that worked.

So is instant replay...oh wait, that worked.

So is the shot clock...oh wait, that worked.

You want to talk a real abomination of the game, Iowa starts each girls game not with a jump ball, but with a coin flip. With no arrow, you'd be flipping a coin a bunch of times each game.

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Old Sat Jan 31, 2004, 03:54pm
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Alternating possession is an abomination upon the game of basketball.
10-15-20 held ball situations, and having a jump ball for each one is more of an abomination, IMHO.
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Old Sat Jan 31, 2004, 04:02pm
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Alternating possession is an abomination upon the game of basketball.
How so? What don't you like about AP? I never liked jump balls much as a player nor as an official. If we jumped every quarter, the team with a giraffe would theoretically get four more possessions per game than the team with no giraffe.

An evaluator at a recent state tournament told me that of the 8 jump balls to start the games, 6 of the jumps were illegally "stolen" by a jumper. None were called. How many bad tosses would we be injecting into a girls game if we jumped each quarter plus each held ball. No thanks!

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Old Sat Jan 31, 2004, 04:10pm
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Alternating possession is an abomination upon the game of basketball.
10-15-20 held ball situations, and having a jump ball for each one is more of an abomination, IMHO.
I worked a pile of games before the AP rule came in, where we had to jump every held ball. I shudder to think of the NFHS or NCAA ever reverting to that rule.
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Old Sat Jan 31, 2004, 06:43pm
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I know Dick Vitale argues about this all the time--how in college they should get rid of the arrow and go with the actual jump ball.

Would you be in favor of this at the high school level?

Just thinking/typing out loud...
I don't think Dick V, wants to have them jump, he wants to give the ball to the def. team.
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Old Sat Jan 31, 2004, 07:55pm
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I know Dick Vitale argues about this all the time--how in college they should get rid of the arrow and go with the actual jump ball.

Would you be in favor of this at the high school level?

Just thinking/typing out loud...
I don't think Dick V, wants to have them jump, he wants to give the ball to the def. team.
That was the the rule on a 5-second closely guarded call at one time. Defense got the ball for a throw-in.
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Old Sun Feb 01, 2004, 02:30pm
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[BI don't think Dick V, wants to have them jump, he wants to give the ball to the def. team.
That was the the rule on a 5-second closely guarded call at one time. Defense got the ball for a throw-in. [/B]
And the rule now is ...?

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Old Sun Feb 01, 2004, 02:59pm
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[BI don't think Dick V, wants to have them jump, he wants to give the ball to the def. team.
That was the the rule on a 5-second closely guarded call at one time. Defense got the ball for a throw-in.
And the rule now is ...?

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Oh my!

Can't believe that I typed that.
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[BI don't think Dick V, wants to have them jump, he wants to give the ball to the def. team.
That was the the rule on a 5-second closely guarded call at one time. Defense got the ball for a throw-in.
And the rule now is ...?
Oh my!

Can't believe that I typed that. [/B]
You hitting the "superbowl punch" a little early?
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Old Sun Feb 01, 2004, 03:31pm
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You hitting the "superbowl punch" a little early?

[/B][/QUOTE]Geeze, that brought you out from under your log in a hurry, didn't it? Yup, kick poor ol' totterin',dodderin' Woody when he's down is the name of the game, isn't it?

May Woody the Deuce lift a leg on you while you're sleeping tonight!
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You hitting the "superbowl punch" a little early?

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Geeze, that brought you out from under your log in a hurry, didn't it? Yup, kick poor ol' totterin',dodderin' Woody when he's down is the name of the game, isn't it?

May Woody the Deuce lift a leg on you while you're sleeping tonight! [/B][/QUOTE]

Same to you buddy


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