Jump ball or out of bounds?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by mbyron

They have to land before you can call the held ball, but the held ball occurred before they landed.

I do some metaphysics and other hair splitting for my day job.

I agree here.

I don't agree here. Where does it say you have to wait to make the call? Now, I agree that many officials may wait to see if the ball truly was prevented from being released before the player landed, or, in other words, having a patient whistle to watch the whole play. But I don't know of any requirement that the player has to land before the call is "official", so to speak. In your traveling example, what happens after the player releases the ball is important in determing whether a violation occured - was it a dribble or pass? In the held ball example, the held ball occured in the air, so there's no requirement to wait.

See, I can hair-split with the best of them.