Interrupted dribble and OOB

[SamIAm]

I was perusing the rules (06/07 rules) and read:

Art. 6... During an interrupted dribble:
a. A closely guarded count shall not be started or shall be terminated.
b. A player-control foul cannot be committed.
c. A time-out request shall not be granted.
d. Out-of-bounds violation does not apply on the player involved in the interrupted dribble

d. has me wondering, can a dribbler, when an interupted dribbler ocurrs and while touching OOB touch/tip the ball? d. seems to indicate he can. Is there a rule or case play indicating this is illegal?

[Raymond]

During an interrupted dribble a player is not in control nor touching the ball therefore it is not a violation when they step OOB.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

d. Out-of-bounds violation does not apply on the player involved in the interrupted dribble

d. has me wondering, can a dribbler, when an interupted dribbler ocurrs and while touching OOB touch/tip the ball? d. seems to indicate he can. Is there a rule or case play indicating this is illegal?

If a player is dribbling, it's an OOB violation if the player touches OOB, even if s/he isn't physically touoching the ball at the moment s/he touches OOB.

It's that part that "doesn't apply."

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If a player is dribbling, it's an OOB violation if the player touches OOB, even if s/he isn't physically touoching the ball at the moment s/he touches OOB.

It's that part that "doesn't apply."

Bob, I am familiar with the dribbler touching OOB being a violation whether they are touching the ball and OOB at the same time or not. But 6 d does not say "Rule xx does not apply, it say "Out-of-bounds violation" does not apply.

[SamIAm]

I re-read the dribble definition, "bat or push to the floor". The interrupted dribbler can not touch or bat the ball to the floor without it being a dribble, however they could tip/bat the ball to a teammate, or the ball could bounce off of them (leg or hip) for example while touching OOB.

(I know this is very unlikely in developed ball players.) I am just wondering.

Are you asking that if during an interrupted dribble, the dribbler attempts to recover the ball but is standing on an OOB while simultaneously touching/tipping the ball... is that legal?

As in A1 while dribbling momentarily loses the ball. While attempting to recover the ball A1 is standing on a OOB line & contacts the ball?

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Are you asking that if during an interrupted dribble, the dribbler attempts to recover the ball but is standing on an OOB while simultaneously touching/tipping the ball... is that legal?

As in A1 while dribbling momentarily loses the ball. While attempting to recover the ball A1 is standing on a OOB line & contacts the ball?

See post #4 in this thread.

that's what thought you were asking & in that case see post #7

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

...or the ball could bounce off of them (leg or hip) for example while touching OOB.

Which would cause and official to blow his/her whistle, raise an open palm to the sky, followed by a point and poclamation of a color other than that worn by the dribbler.

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Which would cause and official to blow his/her whistle, raise an open palm to the sky, followed by a point and poclamation of a color other than that worn by the dribbler.

Where do the rules say you are correct in making that call in light of the 6d exception?

7-1-2(a) 1

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

I re-read the dribble definition, "bat or push to the floor". The interrupted dribbler can not touch or bat the ball to the floor without it being a dribble, however they could tip/bat the ball to a teammate, or the ball could bounce off of them (leg or hip) for example while touching OOB.

(I know this is very unlikely in developed ball players.) I am just wondering.

Originally Posted by SamIAm

Where do the rules say you are correct in making that call in light of the 6d exception?

A person who is standing OOB (except during a throw-in) commits a violation when they touch the ball. There is no exception to that rule.

The exception you are referencing does not over-ride that fundamental rule.

The exception you are referencing is there to differentiate from a dribbler who voluntarily goes OOB in betweens bats.

You are over-thinking the rule.

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

A person who is standing OOB (except during a throw-in) commits a violation when they touch the ball. There is no exception to that rule.

The exception you are referencing does not over-ride that fundamental rule.

The exception you are referencing is there to differentiate from a dribbler who voluntarily goes OOB in betweens bats.

You are over-thinking the rule.

I am not over thinking this rule. I know what is intended by this rule. I should have worded my original question differently. My only question was:
Is there a rule or case play indicating this is illegal? Since no one came up this one that did not include OOB violation, which 6d says is excluded, I chalk this up to a minor error in the rules.

[Back In The Saddle]

It is, perhaps, a little vaguely worded. But I it seems that most of us understand that it's referring to 9-3-1 Note ("The dribbler has committed a violation if he/she steps on or outside a boundary, even though he/she is not touching the ball while he/she is out of bounds.").

Perhaps if it were worded thus: "d. The former dribbler does not commit an out-of-bounds violation if he/she steps on our outside a boundary while not touching the ball (See 9-1-3 Note)."

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

I am not over thinking this rule. I know what is intended by this rule. I should have worded my original question differently. My only question was:
Is there a rule or case play indicating this is illegal? Since no one came up this one that did not include OOB violation, which 6d says is excluded, I chalk this up to a minor error in the rules.

6d does not say a player with OOB status can touch the ball. The exception refers to a player leaving court who is not in contact with the ball.