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I was perusing the rules (06/07 rules) and read:
Art. 6... During an interrupted dribble: a. A closely guarded count shall not be started or shall be terminated. b. A player-control foul cannot be committed. c. A time-out request shall not be granted. d. Out-of-bounds violation does not apply on the player involved in the interrupted dribble d. has me wondering, can a dribbler, when an interupted dribbler ocurrs and while touching OOB touch/tip the ball? d. seems to indicate he can. Is there a rule or case play indicating this is illegal?
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During an interrupted dribble a player is not in control nor touching the ball therefore it is not a violation when they step OOB.
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It's that part that "doesn't apply." |
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I re-read the dribble definition, "bat or push to the floor". The interrupted dribbler can not touch or bat the ball to the floor without it being a dribble, however they could tip/bat the ball to a teammate, or the ball could bounce off of them (leg or hip) for example while touching OOB.
(I know this is very unlikely in developed ball players.) I am just wondering.
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Are you asking that if during an interrupted dribble, the dribbler attempts to recover the ball but is standing on an OOB while simultaneously touching/tipping the ball... is that legal?
As in A1 while dribbling momentarily loses the ball. While attempting to recover the ball A1 is standing on a OOB line & contacts the ball? |
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Bob, I am familiar with the dribbler touching OOB being a violation whether they are touching the ball and OOB at the same time or not. But 6 d does not say "Rule xx does not apply, it say "Out-of-bounds violation" does not apply.
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Which would cause and official to blow his/her whistle, raise an open palm to the sky, followed by a point and poclamation of a color other than that worn by the dribbler.
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Where do the rules say you are correct in making that call in light of the 6d exception?
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The exception you are referencing does not over-ride that fundamental rule. The exception you are referencing is there to differentiate from a dribbler who voluntarily goes OOB in betweens bats. You are over-thinking the rule.
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Is there a rule or case play indicating this is illegal? Since no one came up this one that did not include OOB violation, which 6d says is excluded, I chalk this up to a minor error in the rules.
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It is, perhaps, a little vaguely worded. But I it seems that most of us understand that it's referring to 9-3-1 Note ("The dribbler has committed a violation if he/she steps on or outside a boundary, even though he/she is not touching the ball while he/she is out of bounds.").
Perhaps if it were worded thus: "d. The former dribbler does not commit an out-of-bounds violation if he/she steps on our outside a boundary while not touching the ball (See 9-1-3 Note)."
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6d does not say a player with OOB status can touch the ball. The exception refers to a player leaving court who is not in contact with the ball.
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