Free throw administration

[Jburt]

Situation:

B1 drives to the basket and is fouled in the act of shooting by A1. Basket is no good. A coach reacts to call and is awarded a technical foul. Referee makes both shooting foul and technical foul calls and reports to table.

While R is reporting U1 (two whistle game) administers free-throws. He incorrectly awards technical free-throws first. B2 makes the first and misses the second. Mistake is realized by R. After conferencing, both officials conclude that they will re-shoot free throws starting with the common foul and than technical, erasing the scored points by B2.

Is this correct?

[JugglingReferee]

Not trying to be an appendage here, but is your opinion? Do you think that an error was/wasn't made?

[Jburt]

I'm not really sure. it seems logical, but the idea of erasing scored points doesn't sit right with me.

[JugglingReferee]

There's probably a reason that it doesn't sit well with you. What is that reason?

[Jburt]

it doesn't seem correct

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Jburt

it doesn't seem correct [to remove points]

Is there any harm in player shooting fouls shots out of order?

Is there any harm if a wrong player shoots a free throw?

[mdray]

Jburt -

re-read the list of correctable errors to see if your situation is covered; then you'll have your answer

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by mdray

Jburt -

re-read the list of correctable errors to see if your situation is covered; then you'll have your answer

LOL that was my next suggestion.

[Fritz]

Since we are on the topic of free throw administration, had this happen Mon night. 8th grade boys game. A1 at the line to shoot the first of two shots (foul on B1 while in the act of shooting, unsuccessful). After A1 releases the shot, B2 clearly steps into the lane before the shot reaches the vicinity of the basket. I say "vicinity" because the shot doesn't draw iron.

I'm lead and give the lane violation sign, then trail (2-man crew of course) blows the whistle on the no-rim. We consulted and my partner thought that because B1 violated first, we should re-shoot the shot. I thought that since it was a double violation, we wipe off that shot and just shoot the 2nd one.

Who is right? By the way, since my partner was the senior official, we went with his call and sold the coaches that way with no arguments.

[Back In The Saddle]

We discussed this one at length in the past year, I believe. Shooting the free throws "out of order" is not a correctable error. All merited free throws were shot. Presumably they were all shot by the proper players, and at the correct basket. Those would be correctable errors. Simply fouling up and shooting them in the wrong order is not a CE. And as long as the offended team receives their throw-in after it's all done, then all salient points of the penalty have been fulfilled.

Play on. Don't foul it up next time.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Fritz

Since we are on the topic of free throw administration, had this happen Mon night. 8th grade boys game. A1 at the line to shoot the first of two shots (foul on B1 while in the act of shooting, unsuccessful). After A1 releases the shot, B2 clearly steps into the lane before the shot reaches the vicinity of the basket. I say "vicinity" because the shot doesn't draw iron.

I'm lead and give the lane violation sign, then trail (2-man crew of course) blows the whistle on the no-rim. We consulted and my partner thought that because B1 violated first, we should re-shoot the shot. I thought that since it was a double violation, we wipe off that shot and just shoot the 2nd one.

Who is right? By the way, since my partner was the senior official, we went with his call and sold the coaches that way with no arguments.

You're right. It's actually a simultaneous violation though, not double. You just shoot the second shot. If this happens on the second free throw, you do an AP throw-in on the end line.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

We discussed this one at length in the past year, I believe. Shooting the free throws "out of order" is not a correctable error. All merited free throws were shot. Presumably they were all shot by the proper players, and at the correct basket. Those would be correctable errors. Simply fouling up and shooting them in the wrong order is not a CE. And as long as the offended team receives their throw-in after it's all done, then all salient points of the penalty have been fulfilled.

Play on. Don't foul it up next time.

Yep, straight from the Case Book:
MISTAKE IN ADMINISTRATION SEQUENCE
8.7 SITUATION B: B1 fouls A1 just as the first quarter ends and then A1 retaliates and intentionally contacts B1. A1’s foul is a technical foul as it occurred during a dead ball. Team A is in the bonus. The officials by mistake administer the penalty for the technical foul before the free throw(s) by A1. RULING: The penalties should have been administered in the order in which the fouls occurred. However, since all merited free throws were attempted it does not constitute a correctable error situation. The second quarter will begin with an alternating-possession throw-in. (4-19-5c)

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

We discussed this one at length in the past year, I believe. Shooting the free throws "out of order" is not a correctable error. All merited free throws were shot. Presumably they were all shot by the proper players, and at the correct basket.

This is absolutely correct for NFHS. Wasn't there an NCAA interp about this a couple seasons ago? I seem to remember that it was different in NCAA.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by zm1283

You're right. It's actually a simultaneous violation though, not double. You just shoot the second shot. If this happens on the second free throw, you do an AP throw-in on the end line.

Unless there was disconcertion (doesn't sound like it from the OP, though).

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Unless there was disconcertion (doesn't sound like it from the OP, though).

You're right. I didn't mention that.

I did think of this though: If Team B violates and Team A shoots a no-rimmer on the first of two shots, is it a simultaneous violation? B does violate, but is it even a violation on A since it's the first of two free throws? Wouldn't you call a violation on B and re-shoot the first free throw?