Another of the new casebook plays

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

No way, no bet. But where was it last year? And what is the rationale blah blah blah?

Scrapper1:

It is an old interpretation that was made when the rule was first adopted. I can't remember how many years ago that was. Just because the interpretation is currently not in the Casebook does not mean the interpretation ceases to exist or be valid. Tony and I both remember the interpretation because we are both old geezers (at least I am an old geezer) who have been officiating and students of the rules for years and years and years. Show Tony some R E S P E C T (Find out what it means to me, ).

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

I think that this play was on the IAABO Refresher Exam last year. I'll check and get back to you guys.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Just because the interpretation is currently not in the Casebook...

It is in the Case Book and has been for years.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

It is in the Case Book and has been for years.

My point is that sometimes plays are removed from the Casebook but that doesn't mean that they still aren't in force.

MTD, Sr.

[BktBallRef]

Yes, I know. But you also wrote, "Just because the interpretation is currently not in the Casebook ..." My point is that it is in the Case Book.

[All_Heart]

What if the free throw shooter says he won't tuck his shirt in before shooting the free throws?

Technical Foul and then if he won't comply when asked a second time a 2nd technical and the coach then needs to provide a sub to shoot the free throws. We can't just send the player to the bench and allow a better shooter to come in and attempt the free throws just because he won't tuck his shirt in.

Thoughts?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

What if the free throw shooter says he won't tuck his shirt in before shooting the free throws?

Technical Foul and then if he won't comply when asked a second time a 2nd technical and the coach then needs to provide a sub to shoot the free throws. We can't just send the player to the bench and allow a better shooter to come in and attempt the free throws just because he won't tuck his shirt in.

Thoughts?

All Heart:

There is not need for a TF in this situation. The player is leaving the game because his shirt is untucked. That is the penalty. A TF is not the penalty in this situation.

MTD, Sr.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

There is not need for a TF in this situation. The player is leaving the game because his shirt is untucked. That is the penalty. A TF is not the penalty in this situation.

While I'm pretty sure I agree, Mark, the difference is that the rules require him to shoot his own free throws, since he's not injured.

The case specifically states that he is to tuck in the shirt, attempt the free throws, and then leave the game. If he refuses to follow the official's directive, he can't shoot his own free throws. Maybe a delay of game?

[All_Heart]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

All Heart:

There is not need for a TF in this situation. The player is leaving the game because his shirt is untucked. That is the penalty. A TF is not the penalty in this situation.

MTD, Sr.

A1 is fouled with 1 second left in the 4th quarter. They are down 1 and A1 is to shoot 2 free throws. A1 (who's FT% is 50%) then untucks his jersey and walks up to the free throw line.

Are you allowing A1 to shoot the free throws with his shirt untucked if he refuses to tuck it in? If you are saying let him shoot the free throws with his shirt untucked and then send him out of the game after his 2nd with Team B receiving the ball OOB then I am fine with that.

My understanding is that the player is not allowed to shoot the free throws with his shirt untucked so what are our options if he refuses (being defiant or trying to get a teammate to shoot the free throws for him).

I know it is very unlikely that a player or coach is trying to get around this rule (because they probably don't know it), I'm just doing a "what if".

I've had a kid in a state playoff game act hurt at the end of the game so that a teammate could shoot the free throws for him. We made sure that wasn't going to happen!

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

What if the free throw shooter says he won't tuck his shirt in before shooting the free throws?

You stand there until he tucks it in. That's "YES!"

[All_Heart]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

You stand there until he tucks it in. That's "YES!"

And when he doesn't?