Out of bounds placement

[tigerb]

I had this happen in a game I was coaching, just curious about the ruling.

We throw a length of the court pass toward our hoop after a made basket by the opposition. Well the pass is over thrown and bounces a few times toward the baseline.

My player, being much smarter than I gave him credit for. Sprints toward the ball, even with no chance to save it in play and slides on the ground, going out of bounds, but gets under the ball and touches it before the ball actually hits out of bounds.

The ref signals to place the ball in bounds back at the original throw in. I question this, get no response, call a time-out to confer, and the reason I get was that we had no chance of saving it into play, that my players only goal was to make sure the opponent had to go the length of the court. I say, yes that is true, but it was a smart play and he did touch it before it went out of bounds. Well I lost the argument. Luckily we defended well and did not give up the basket at the other end.

What is your take on this.

[mlancast]

The refs blew this one. The ball is caused to go out of bounds by the last player to touch it inbounds prior to going OOB.
Suppose Team A is inbounding and throws a high, errant pass. Team B jumps, with no chance to catch the ball, but the ball barely touched the fingertips of B1 before bouncing out of bounds. Do you disregard the touch by B1 and give the ball to Team B for throw in since B1 had no chance of bringing the ball back down in play??? I sure hope not!!

[tigerb]

But what if the player steps out of bounds before touching the ball.

[mlancast]

No difference if it was a player who stepped out of bounds. The player still caused the ball to go OOB by virtue of him or her touching the ball while standing OOB. Keep in mind that we are talking about players, not bench personnel.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally posted by tigerb

The ref signals to place the ball in bounds back at the original throw in. I question this, get no response, call a time-out to confer, and the reason I get was that we had no chance of saving it into play, that my players only goal was to make sure the opponent had to go the length of the court.

The ball should be inbounded where it was touched by your other player, since he caused it to go OOB. While there are a few instances in the NF rulebook where rules are designed to prevent a circumvention of the rules (straddling the lane and lifing the foot in the lane then returning it to the lane, being on the floor with the ball and letting go then standing up and then picking it up, etc.), this is not one of them.

BTW - you didn't call timeout. You only requested it. Mr. Pet Peeve strikes again.

[Ricejock]

So your telling me if you touch the ball, and your out of bounce, you don't go back to the previous throw-in spot. I always thought the player touching the ball needed to be in play, or the ball went back to previous throw-in.

[Lotto]

When the out of bounds player touches the ball, is it an out of bounds violation (in which case the throw in would be at the new spot) or a throw-in violation (in which case the ball would come back to the original spot)?

Let's take a look at the rule. (This is from the NCAA rulebook; I don't have the NF one.)

Rule 9, Section 4. Throw-in
Art. 1. The thrower-in shall not:
b. Fail to pass the ball directly into the playing court so that after it crosses the boundary line, it touches or is touched by another player (inbounds or out of bounds) on the playing court before going out of bounds.

Note the explicit "inbounds or out of bounds" statement. This is not a throw-in violation, but an out of bounds violation. Ball should be spotted where the out of bounds player touched it.

[Doug]

the ref blew this call, if he touched the ball before it went out of bounds, then it should be taken where at the spot where he went oob. if he didn't touch it before he went out of bounds, then it does go to the original throw in spot (what your referee did).

[tharbert]

I agree the ref blew it.

Also, if A2 is standing OOB and the ball touches OOB before striking or being caught by A2, it's still a throw-in violation since the ball becomes deadbefore touching A2.

[RecRef]

Originally posted by Doug
the ref blew this call, if he touched the ball before it went out of bounds, then it should be taken where at the spot where he went oob. if he didn't touch it before he went out of bounds, then it does go to the original throw in spot (what your referee did).

The ball can not obtain OOB status until it touches something OOB. The floor, the stands, a wall, a ref (who is part of the floor), or a player that is OOB. Since A2 was OOB and he is touched/touched the ball than "A2 caused the ball to be OOB." The throw-in takes place where A2 touched the ball.

[RX Ref]

Originally posted by RecRef

The ball can not obtain OOB status until it touches something OOB. The floor, the stands, a wall, a ref (who is part of the floor), or a player that is OOB. Since A2 was OOB and he is touched/touched the ball than "A2 caused the ball to be OOB." The throw-in takes place where A2 touched the ball.

If the player is already out of bounds, he is no different than the floor or the wall, and it should go back to the original spot.

[mick]

Originally posted by RX Ref
If the player is already out of bounds, he is no different than the floor or the wall, and it should go back to the original spot.

RX Ref,
That is not correct.
The team members on the bench, not the players(one of 10 on the floor), are no different than the floor, or the wall.

Lotto cited the proper rule 9-4-1.

mick

[RX Ref]

Originally posted by mick

RX Ref,
That is not correct.
The team members on the bench, not the players(one of 10 on the floor), are no different than the floor, or the wall.

Lotto cited the proper rule 9-4-1.

mick

Ok, I agree.

[Doug]

try this one. Player taking ball out of bounds, has the ball over the line, and the defender swats it away, no hand contact, and dribbles up the court and makes a basket. this happened to me last week, coach had a fit! what do you do?

[BktBallRef]

You don't do anything. If the thrower broke the plane with the ball, B1 can legal grab it or knock it away.