Backcourt violation?

[Freddy]

Happened tonite. A1 in backcourt passes to A2 in frontcourt. A2 passes back to A1 who catches the pass in midair after jumping from backcourt, landing in the frontcourt with ball control. Backcourt violation?

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Happened tonite. A1 in backcourt passes to A2 in frontcourt. A2 passes back to A1 who catches the pass in midair after jumping from backcourt, landing in the frontcourt with ball control. Backcourt violation?

yes

[TimTaylor]

Yes it is a BC violation - had the same thing happen in a GV game last Saturday.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Happened tonite. A1 in backcourt passes to A2 in frontcourt. A2 passes back to A1 who catches the pass in midair after jumping from backcourt, landing in the frontcourt with ball control. Backcourt violation?

Freddy - I'd be interested in knowing why you had to ask. What was causing doubt? Please note - this is not a criticism, just trying to find out why some officials aren't sure of this rule. Thanks.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Freddy - I'd be interested in knowing why you had to ask. What was causing doubt? Please note - this is not a criticism, just trying to find out why some officials aren't sure of this rule. Thanks.

I agree. THere have been more questions about this rule this year than I can remember in the past (and most have nothing to do with the recent NFHS interps on the issue).

[SamIAm]

Perhaps BasketBallRef is to blame as I don't recall his annual BackCourt Quiz. Did I miss it?

[Freddy]

Mark wrote: Freddy - I'd be interested in knowing why you had to ask. What was causing doubt? Please note - this is not a criticism, just trying to find out why some officials aren't sure of this rule. Thanks.
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I called it a violation firmly and confidently. A veteran coach who typically questions no calls ever loudly yelled, "You got that one wrong!" Not enough to make me doubt my call, but enough to go to the rulebook and casebook when I got home to confirm my confidence. The rulebook is clear on the matter in its own confusing way. The casebook doesn't bring up a situation like that. So, in summary, it's a situation where I am confident as to the rule, but was just confirming it through the guys/girls on the webring. Like I like to think, "There's a fine line between confidence and cockiness." I want to pursue the former without lapsing into the latter. That's why this webring is a significant help to me.

[Freddy]

Mark - see explanation later in the thread. Thanx for you interest and for the way in which you stated your inquiry!

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

Perhaps BasketBallRef is to blame as I don't recall his annual BackCourt Quiz. Did I miss it?

I don't think he's posted it in two years.

[kblehman]

Originally Posted by Freddy
Happened tonite. A1 in backcourt passes to A2 in frontcourt. A2 passes back to A1 who catches the pass in midair after jumping from backcourt, landing in the frontcourt with ball control. Backcourt violation?

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Freddy - I'd be interested in knowing why you had to ask. What was causing doubt? Please note - this is not a criticism, just trying to find out why some officials aren't sure of this rule. Thanks.

I've had debates about this play, too, and I haven't yet seen an explanation in this thread. Is it because A1's last established position was in the backcourt and had not yet established position in the frontcourt?

[bigdog5142]

Ultimately, coaches DO NOT know this rule...and it makes some question their calls when coaches consistently badger about the backcourt violation.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by kblehman

Originally Posted by Freddy
Happened tonite. A1 in backcourt passes to A2 in frontcourt. A2 passes back to A1 who catches the pass in midair after jumping from backcourt, landing in the frontcourt with ball control. Backcourt violation?


I've had debates about this play, too, and I haven't yet seen an explanation in this thread. Is it because A1's last established position was in the backcourt and had not yet established position in the frontcourt?

Okay. Once A2 receives the initial pass from A1, the ball is now in FC with team control for A.
Once A1 touches the pass from A2, the ball now gains BC status since A2 has BC status by virtue of his last contact with the floor. For rule purposes, he may as well have been standing in the back court.

[Freddy]

That's how I read it. I don't know if it fits in every circumstance, but someone somewhere on this board once said, "You are where you were until you get where you're going." I think that clearly fits this situation.

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by bigdog5142

Ultimately, coaches DO NOT know this rule...and it makes some question their calls when coaches consistently badger about the backcourt violation.

My Freshmen girls know this rule.....

OTOH, our varsity boys coach thought anytime a defender touches the Backboard, it's a technical.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by CoachP

My Freshmen girls know this rule.....

OTOH, our varsity boys coach thought anytime a defender touches the Backboard, it's a technical.

Hmmm, that could be a very short night if that were the case.