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one thing about officiating is that everyone has an opinion on how you can do something different or better -- i think you did what i would and most officials should. this is where i would just nod and smile.
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Here's the deal and here's why I think you should make the call. You're doing a big game like this and we all know that Team A has no timeouts left. You have a quick bang-bang type play, late in the game of a close game. That's a lot of pressure especially for someone that's new to the playoff's. I think it's best to just go with what happens, stick to officiating, and let the chips fall where they may. It's not your fault he called a TO that he didn't have.
I don't agree with your assigner here. I think he is talking out both sides of his mouth. You would be in even more trouble if you didn't grant the TO and it turns out, that you got the wrong team. If you are 100% sure, not 99.9% sure but 100% sure that this team doesn't have a TO left, and he's requesting it, while he's in the air falling OOB. Okay, you can just say, OOB team B's ball, you got no TO's player. Me, I'm not trying to work that hard plus I got other things to worry about that I don't want to dink up. Like, who's in the bonus, who's not. If I call a foul on this team, I got to get the shooter, if it's the other team, I don't have to get the shooter. You see how things can get confusing and the last thing you want to do is make a mistake. I say, go with what happens. In the postgame, just sit there and listen to it until you can get dressed and get out of there. |
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You are correct. From an observer stand point that's based on how the game is flowing. Your situation I could see why he said what he said. If the player clearly yells it and he has no time outs and you know it, to avoid a T I would say In my judgment I felt you didn't have control. If the player argues whisper to him or something saying you want a tech for no time outs or would you rather lose the ball. Just my opinion though. Nevedaref tells me to keep trying things since Im young and find what works and what doesn't. RB stand point 100% correct.
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What I think you should look at is the cost or consequences of erroring. What are the consequences if you just make the call? Zero, because the player called it. However, what if you thought Team A didn't have any TO's and they actually had one left, and the player calls it and you don't grant it, because you come up with, juggling the ball didn't have control, foot was on the line, something you made up because you thought they didn't have any. What kind of trouble are you in now when you give the ball to the other team and they score to win the game? What are your consequences now? Knowing that the guys that assign these games typically do it for life. You could be banned forever making a mistake like that. Not worth it to me when you consider the odds. When the stakes are high, just call what you see, and believe it or not, it's easier! Don't have to work as hard. |
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In the original post the T did not make a difference, but when you are blowing the whistle how will you know it would not make a difference?
Think about all the possibilities in a two point game 1) B misses both FT's; A forces a 5 second call, violation, or steals throwin. A scores and ties the game. 2) B makes both FT's, A forces a 5 second call or steals throwin. A scores and ties the game. and is only down by one. The clock stopped on a lot of this 3) B misses both FT throws and then fouls on the inbound throw-in, giving A shots at the other end while the clock is stopped (assumes bonus) and score 2 points and ties the game... 4) You now give the ball to B (up 2) and on the inbounds throw-in, there is a violation by B and turns ball over to A who shoots a 3point and scores to go up one. Coach B then complains to your state staff telling them you screwed them out of 2 shots and the ball and they tell you that you should have called it! 5) You just give ball to B (up 2) and they foul on throw-in and A scores on FTs to tie game. Coach B then complains to your state staff telling them you screwed them out of 2 shots and the ball and they (state staff) tell you that you should have called it or worse listen to some sort of ridiculous appeal, and then do something about it... 6) How do you explain to Coach A that you did not grant a time out, and he tells you that he has coached his kids to do this because clock stopping is more important than the 2 shots and ball? It is not our call to be clairvoyant and see what will happen, sometimes we may be able to withold a whistle because plays are close... but we also recognize timeouts and call it. |
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I guess I'm thinking that if the team is meeting all the legal requirments to call a time out, except of course, they don't have any, what rational would you use not to grant it?
I would rather grant it, call the T when they didn't have one than not grant it and later realize they had one. |
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"Rules Enforcement and Proper Use of Signals. The committee has seen a movement away from the consistent application of rule enforcement and use of approved mechanics/signals. A. Rules Enforcement. Officials need to be aware that personal interpretations of the rules have a negative impact on the game. The rules are written to provide a balance between offense and defense, minimize risks to participants, promote the sound tradition of the game and promote fair play. Individual philosophies and deviations from the rules as written negatively impact the basic fundamentals and tenants of the rules. Officials must be consistent in the application of all rules,..." Just call it correctly instead of trying to hedge and avoid this or that. Keep it simple and do your job. |
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I agree the OP did the right thing by granting the excessive TO. I don't agree with Nevada's blind character assassination of the observer.
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