excessive timeout

crew · #1 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 02, 2003, 12:30pm

i would like to hear the opinions of the board on this.

nc2a rules(men)
at the 17 min mark of the 2nd period team A has used his final time out(down by 25). at the 15 min mark he requests an excessive time out and it is granted with a technical foul. when do you draw the line and ignore/not grant timeout requests.

mick · #2 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 02, 2003, 12:40pm

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Originally posted by crew
i would like to hear the opinions of the board on this.

nc2a rules(men)
at the 17 min mark of the 2nd period team A has used his final time out(down by 25). at the 15 min mark he requests an excessive time out and it is granted with a technical foul. when do you draw the line and ignore/not grant timeout requests.

crew,
Keep allowing the TO. The Coach had apparently started to look at this game as scrimmage-like and thought the information he was giving the players was more important to them than a couple of throws, or the score.
You wanna get upset with someone? Look at your assignor for giving you that game instead of a conference game.

mick

BktBallRef · #3 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 02, 2003, 08:14pm

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Originally posted by crew
i would like to hear the opinions of the board on this.

nc2a rules(men)
at the 17 min mark of the 2nd period team A has used his final time out(down by 25). at the 15 min mark he requests an excessive time out and it is granted with a technical foul. when do you draw the line and ignore/not grant timeout requests.

By rule, you are not allowed to ignore the requests, if it's made when he can legally make such a request. Why would you want to ignore it?

Mark Dexter · #4 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 02, 2003, 08:51pm

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Originally posted by crew
i would like to hear the opinions of the board on this.

nc2a rules(men)
at the 17 min mark of the 2nd period team A has used his final time out(down by 25). at the 15 min mark he requests an excessive time out and it is granted with a technical foul. when do you draw the line and ignore/not grant timeout requests.

Unless he's using them to make a travesty of the game (timeout requests every 10 seconds), I'm granting them. If they make a travesty of the game - forfeit.

Of course, that wouldn't stop me from having a little chat with the coach reminding him how many timeouts he has left.

DrakeM · #5 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 03, 2003, 03:01pm

Tony,
Personally, I would hope that I would have enough presence of mind to at least inform him that he doesn't have any TO's left. If he insists, then grant it. I also agreee that if he keeps doing it to make a travesty of the game, do something about it. I don't know that I would forfeit the game, but the head coach might get run!.

dhodges007 · #6 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 04, 2003, 01:27am

I personally don't feel that it is our responsibility in a basketball game to let a coach know that he doesn't have a TO during live ball. I probably have already let the coach know when his last one was. So I agree, if he wants a TO, he will pay for it with a T.

I also would run a coach if he kept it up to stall the game and was making disruptions.

crew · #7 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 04, 2003, 10:32am

this is what my supervisor said.
grant the first one. grant the second one and address the coach that this is getting ridiculous and making a travesty of the game. grant the third one and grant an unsporting technical to the head coach. on the 4th grant it and run him........(note this is when the team has no chance of winning the game. if they are capable of winning then a travesty has not been made, he is taking an acceptable loss for hopefully more gain.)

DrakeM · #8 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 04, 2003, 01:18pm

While I agree that it is not our "responsibility" to remind the coach that he doesn't have an TO's left, it can be good preventive officiating. In a tight game, Coaches may not always think straight and even though they may know they don't have any, the pressure and excitement of the moment may lead them to act otherwise.

mick · #9 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 04, 2003, 01:35pm

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Originally posted by DrakeM
While I agree that it is not our "responsibility" to remind the coach that he doesn't have an TO's left, it can be good preventive officiating. In a tight game, Coaches may not always think straight and even though they may know they don't have any, the pressure and excitement of the moment may lead them to act otherwise.

Drake,
I've got a heavy enough load to carry.
If I can't coach the players, surely, I will not coach the coaches.

mick

Jurassic Referee · #10 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 04, 2003, 02:00pm

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Originally posted by DrakeM
While I agree that it is not our "responsibility" to remind the coach that he doesn't have an TO's left, it can be good preventive officiating.

I agree with mick. By rule,an official has already notified the team that they've used their last TO. You've done your job when you give that notification. The coach is supposed to do his now. I imagine Chris Webber would liked to have seen "preventive officiating" in that NCAA championship game.

The problem is,though,that you've now taken a legal advantage away from the team that didn't call the TO,by not giving them the 2 shots for the T.Never know-could end up to be the difference in a tight game. JMO.

Ref Daddy · #11 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 04, 2003, 08:47pm

SECTION 12
ART. 2 . . .
Time-outs in excess of the allotted number may be requested and shall be granted during regulation playing time or any extra period at the expense of a technical foul for each.