New Substitution Question

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

The discussion of the NCAA rule for subbing made me look real hard at 3-4-12. Here's the whole article:

Now, what happens if the game clock never starts while his or her replacement is in the game? Let's take the exact scenario from the other thread. Technical foul on B1. A6 enters the game to shoot the free throws, replacing A1. After the second free throw, A7 enters the game, replacing A6. Now the ball is inbounded, the clock runs and the ball is deflected out of bounds. A1 is at the table to re-enter the game. But the clock never ran while A1's replacement was in the game.

OBVIOUSLY, we're going to let A1 back in the game. So then what's the point of saying "provided that the game clock has been properly started with his or her replacement in the game"?

If A6 was replaced with A7 before any time ran off the clock, then A7 is considered the replacement for A1. Go a step farther and after A7 comes in the A team coach calls a time out. Before the first horn he replaces A7 with A8. A8 then would be considered the replacement for A1.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

If A6 was replaced with A7 before any time ran off the clock, then A7 is considered the replacement for A1. Go a step farther and after A7 comes in the A team coach calls a time out. Before the first horn he replaces A7 with A8. A8 then would be considered the replacement for A1.

Any rule basis for that assumption? I don't see any.

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Any rule basis for that assumption? I don't see any.

The rule basis that I'm looking @ probally the same your looking @...Rule 3-4 art.12, 13 & A.R.57.

This is the only way it could be otherwise A1 wouldn't be allowed to re enter unless the coach puts A6 back in for one play.

The replacement for the player that goes out is the replacement that is in the game after the clock starts regardless if that intial sub was changed or not.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

This is the only way it could be otherwise A1 wouldn't be allowed to re enter unless the coach puts A6 back in for one play.

Exactly my point!! The way the rule is written says that A1 can't come back in unless/until A6 is actually in the game while the clock is running.

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Exactly my point!! The way the rule is written says that A1 can't come back in unless/until A6 is actually in the game while the clock is running.

I don't read it that way....The rule says their replacement. A1's replacement is the sub that actually is in the game for A1 when the clock starts. That could be A7, A8 or A9. It couldn't possibly be any other way.

If it could then AR 57 wouldn't be in the book.