Backcourt Violation - Mavs Heat

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by blah

TexasAggie.....you are clueless like many in College Station....and you make mavs fans look like a bunch of idiots. Please tell me that you are a ref in CS because that will tell me sooooo much.


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these pictures are all that matter


I know you refs see the hand on the back almost everytime down the court and it is hardly ever called. Yes its a foul but not called very often. Wade also pushed terry to the ground and grabbed Howards privates on the way to the basket so Dirl should have never got to put his hand there.
As for the other pic.....its blurry but if you believe his foot is on the ground then you agree that he has established position and it should be a backcourt. if you dont then ill post the video so that you can see that he also takes 3 steps.

I still dont understand why people are talking about the Harris on the arm stuff because it wasnt called on him so it shouldnt be an issue.


This doesnt have anythign to do with this thread but did you know that the FT's were 25-49, the biggest gap in NBA Finals History. Also that they went to the FT line 11 straight times down the court......

Geeze, it's that time of year, isn't it? All the idiot fanboys show up. Never refereed a game in their lives and don't have a clue what the rules are or how they're called. "You nasty referees screwed our team--boo-hoo-hoo..".

You are amusing though. Once.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by blah

I know you refs see the hand on the back almost everytime down the court and it is hardly ever called. Yes its a foul but not called very often.

A hand in the back while dribbling? No.

A hand in the back while shooting? Always.

Originally Posted by blah

This doesnt have anything to do with this thread but did you know that the FT's were 25-49, the biggest gap in NBA Finals History. Also that they went to the FT line 11 straight times down the court......

That wouldn't have anything to do with them fouling Wade almost every time he went to the basket or their Hack-a-Shaq strategy, now would it?


Not to worry Mavs fans, the Mavs will still win this thing in 7.

[BktBallRef]

NBA: No backcourt violation on inbounds to Wade


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playof...-Story&srvc=sz

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

NBA: No backcourt violation on inbounds to Wade


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playof...-Story&srvc=sz

Gee, the same answer as given in the third post on page 1 of this thread. Wonder if the fanboys will agree now...

[mcrowder]

Sorry I brought it up now. I had a real question. Thanks for blowing up the topic fanboys.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

Sorry I brought it up now. I had a real question. Thanks for blowing up the topic fanboys.

Don't worry about it. Happens all the time.

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Not to worry Mavs fans, the Mavs will still win this thing in 7.

Oops!! Guess not.

[roncabalao]

"frontcourt/backcourt status is not attained until a player with the ball has established a positive position in either half during a throw-in in the last 2 minutes of the fourth period and/or any overtime period."

What about when a player is out of bounds, then jumps and catches the ball in the air and lands in-bounds? That would be called out-of bounds because the player hasn't established himself in bounds. So, why is this rule any different to the frontcourt/backcourt" rule? The player is in the air and hasn't positively established himself in-bounds or out-of-bounds. I don't really know but, maybe the rule applies differently in this case.

Maybe a hand in the back is a foul but,

what about Wade pushing off Terry near the sideline?

Or what about on Game 6, Wade after coming out of a screen threw his arm into Nowitzki's chest and the refs calling the foul on Dirk?

I'm hardly a Mavs fan, but the I'm sorry to say that the refs blew it.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Oops!! Guess not.

Those mean old refs stole it from the Mavs, Chuck!

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by roncabalao

"frontcourt/backcourt status is not attained until a player with the ball has established a positive position in either half during a throw-in in the last 2 minutes of the fourth period and/or any overtime period."

What about when a player is out of bounds, then jumps and catches the ball in the air and lands in-bounds? That would be called out-of bounds because the player hasn't established himself in bounds. So, why is this rule any different to the frontcourt/backcourt" rule? The player is in the air and hasn't positively established himself in-bounds or out-of-bounds. I don't really know but, maybe the rule applies differently in this case.

Inbounds/ out of bounds is not FC/BC.

If a player knocks the ball into the BC, does his opponent get the ball? No. But he does if the ball is knocked OOB.

The rule allows Wade to make the play he made, whether you believe us or not. I can assure you we are correct.

Maybe a hand in the back is a foul but,

what about Wade pushing off Terry near the sideline?

Or what about on Game 6, Wade after coming out of a screen threw his arm into Nowitzki's chest and the refs calling the foul on Dirk?

I'm hardly a Mavs fan, but the I'm sorry to say that the refs blew it.

Thanks for the input.

A couple of things for you.

1- Officials miss calls. Officials miss calls against both teams. Remember the ball that Posey stole late in the 4th quarter and was called for double dribbling? By rule, he did not double dribble. He knocked the ball away, caught it, and dribbled once. That's not a double dribble. The perfect game has never been played, coached, or officiated. It never will be.

2- Not all contact is a foul. Wade made contact with Terry but he did not push him off. The fact is Terry was in poor defensive position. Had he worked harder and gotten better defensive position, who knows, he might have been able to draw a foul. As for Nowitzki, it was an ugly play. But again, with lousy position, he got called for a block. How about the screen Nowitzki set on the final shot of the season? For get about it. All contact is not a foul.

3- A foul in basketball in one of the most subjective calls in sports. There's a lot of gray area and judgment involved. There's always going to be disagreeing opinions.

4- The Mavs lost far and square. They have no one to blame but themselves. The better team won the series. If you can't win game 6 and 7 and at home, you don't deserve to win. BYW, there's are Jason Terry's words, not mine.

[roncabalao]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Inbounds/ out of bounds is not FC/BC.

If a player knocks the ball into the BC, does his opponent get the ball? No. But he does if the ball is knocked OOB.

The rule allows Wade to make the play he made, whether you believe us or not. I can assure you we are correct.

This doesn't explain it. I understand that it is legal for a player to do what Wade did, but the two rules are contradicting since it is the same premise.

1- Officials miss calls. Officials miss calls against both teams. Remember the ball that Posey stole late in the 4th quarter and was called for double dribbling? By rule, he did not double dribble. He knocked the ball away, caught it, and dribbled once. That's not a double dribble. The perfect game has never been played, coached, or officiated. It never will be.

True, officials miss calls for both teams, but when it all evens out in the final minute and the officials make a mistake that ultimately decides the outcome of the game, then there's nothing else to say other than "they blew it".

Posey actually knocked the ball with his left hand then dribbled with his right hand, held it then dribbled again. Double dribble.

2- Not all contact is a foul. Wade made contact with Terry but he did not push him off. The fact is Terry was in poor defensive position.

Poor defensive position? Terry is guarding Wade who then lowers his shoulder going to the right, extends his left arm and runs into Terry.

As for Nowitzki, it was an ugly play. But again, with lousy position, he got called for a block.

Huh? Lousy position again? What is the correct position to be standing in when a player decides to throw his arm into you?

3- A foul in basketball in one of the most subjective calls in sports. There's a lot of gray area and judgment involved. There's always going to be disagreeing opinions.

Not really. Fouls in basketball are pretty well defined.

4- The Mavs lost far and square. They have no one to blame but themselves. The better team won the series. If you can't win game 6 and 7 and at home, you don't deserve to win. BYW, there's are Jason Terry's words, not mine.

Note that I didn't bring up any points about the Mavs getting robbed, or who has the better team, or who said this or that. I just mentioned the blown calls by the officials which are a fact.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by roncabalao

Note that I didn't bring up any points about the Mavs getting robbed, or who has the better team, or who said this or that. I just mentioned the blown calls by the officials which are a fact.

What are your credentials to evaluate NBA officials so astutely? How long have you been an official? What levels are you currently officiating, and for how long? Camps attended?

Just wondering.....

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by roncabalao

This doesn't explain it. I understand that it is legal for a player to do what Wade did, but the two rules are contradicting since it is the same premise..

Please forgive me. I thought you were an official who could understand the rule if explained to him. Obviously, I was wrong. You're just another fanboy who thinks he's an officiating expert because he has a TV remote.

Go awy fanboy. If you wanna cry, go o one of those stupid fanboy sites where fans to to cry when the mean old refs steal the game from their team.

[roncabalao]

Please forgive me. I thought you were an official who could understand the rule if explained to him. Obviously, I was wrong. You're just another fanboy who thinks he's an officiating expert because he has a TV remote.

I was born in Miami. I grew up being a Heat's fan. Then I moved to Phoenix which of course made a Suns fan. I'm very glad Miami won, and that O'neal got his fourth championship. As for D. Wade I'm pretty impressed by all that he did to get his team to win the championship. But that's obviously not important because you can't refute a valid argument without insults and trying to dismiss me as just a "fanboy" which I'm not. You are obviously just one of those internet bullies that insults people over the net without realizing that it just makes you a loser.

I don't disagree with the rule and I explicitly stated that I understand it. I just wondered and pointed out that it is interpreted differently in each case. Never said it was a missed call by the officials, I just brought up the comparison of two rules which have the same premise.

As you clearly demonstrated, you can't read english, so I'm going to ask you politely to refrain from further replies. A more intelligent reply than the one you gave me would have been that the rule is just different.

[roncabalao]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

What are your credentials to evaluate NBA officials so astutely? How long have you been an official? What levels are you currently officiating, and for how long? Camps attended?

Just wondering.....

I'm not evaluating the NBA officials. I just pointed out a couple of arguable blown calls which are of universal knowledge. To be fair, Wade's "foul" against Terry is arguable, but the one on Nowitzki on game 6 was a clear bad call. I brought it up because someone said, "A hand in the back while shooting? Always". Which made me wonder why the other more obvious ones weren't called.