Backcourt Violation - Mavs Heat

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Kajun Ref N Texas

You should consider some counseling. Maybe an anger management class.

I read recently that passive-aggressive types usually grew up in a household with a missing or unusually weak father figure.

[Snake~eyes]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Hey Snakeyes, PM me. I got your IM on my cell phone and tried to text back to you but I got cutoff!

I liked your response to me... much more fitting... then the one you posted above...

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Yet you're so basketball intelligent as to think that the officials gave calls to the Heat. And yeah, I know you didn't write those words but that's what you're finally statement is suggesting.

Yes, I'm from Dallas, and yes, I'm a Mavs fan.

But what you say above is the OPPOSITE of what I said. I didn't say the officials (you seem to be implying the word intentionally here) gave calls to the Heat. That is actually completely backward from my point. It seems that from the above comments of the general basketball referee population, you guys seem to think the errors/mistakes/given calls/whatever were balanced, and/or that the mistakes didn't happen at all. I'm saying that surely, since you guys have some level of expertise (I haven't been on this side of the board long enough to know which ones of you are true experts and which are morons - I'm sure there are some of each - there are some of each on the baseball/softball/football sections), you should at least be able to admit that the (let's call them: ) "questionable calls" seemed to go much more toward the Heat in this particular series. I'm not implying intent at all here - just trying to point out that the ire of the generic Mav fan is not COMPLETELY misplaced.

If this gets me called "fanboy" to make you feel better about yourselves, feel free to be condescending toward me. But the fact that I don't happen to officiate THIS sport doesn't mean I can't look at officiating in an unbiased way, even when I had a rooting interest in this particular series.

[BktBallRef]

MAVERICK FANS

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

Yes, I'm from Dallas, and yes, I'm a Mavs fan.

you should at least be able to admit that the (let's call them: ) "questionable calls" seemed to go much more toward the Heat in this particular series.

But the fact that I don't happen to officiate THIS sport doesn't mean I can't look at officiating in an unbiased way, even when I had a rooting interest in this particular series.

Unbiased?

Hardly, fanboy.

Read your own statements above.

You sureashell are implying that the officials favored the Heat. That's just sad for someone who supposedly has officiated other sports. You just don't get it and it looks like you never will.

To you, as well as any other Mavs fanboys like Cajun that might re-appear.....guys, it's over, done, dead, history, toast...... either let it go or take it to a fan site where you and people like you can go all grassy-knoll to your heart's content. You certainly do have the right to continue posting your own personal opinions here on NBA officiating. We, as in anyone here that wants to, also has the same right to tell you exactly what they think of your opinions, whether you like it or not.



Lah me......every damn year.....

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

MAVERICK FANS

How about......

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

... you should at least be able to admit that the (let's call them: ) "questionable calls" seemed to go much more toward the Heat in this particular series. I'm not implying intent at all here - just trying to point out that the ire of the generic Mav fan is not COMPLETELY misplaced.

Well, assuming you're not a moron you should be able to list the questionable calls that went both for & against your Mavs and show that yes indeedy without a doubt your Mavs got screwed. And I'll assume you're not a moron BTW because you readily admit the questionable calls went both ways.

I eagerly await your non-moronic reply.

[SmokeEater]

This would be where you just don't post. That would be the most intelligent post in this thread.

Its a joke ...don't feel like I am attacking anyone by saying this.

[Kajun Ref N Texas]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

How about......

"At least once more, Miss Swann, as always."

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by Kajun Ref N Texas

"At least once more, Miss Swann, as always."

Great movie. Great line!

[mcuban]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Mark Cuban, the idiot who knows so much about officiating, was screaming at Joe DeRosa after the game. Not about the timeout that Joe correctly granted to Dallas but about what he, Cuban, absolutely knew was a BC violation.

Idiot.

No, Mark Cuban , the idiot was screaming because DeRosa didnt rotate to be in position to see Wade push off on Terry. Salvatore should have called, but in the event his angle was bad, Derosa had nothing else going on and should have been able to see the ball.

At least according to my understanding of Ronnie Nunn mechanics. You got a good reason why he didnt move ?

i didnt see it as a backcourt until after i saw the tape. The league said i was wrong. Fine.

I still cant find "positive possession " defined anywhere in the rule book. Can you ?

In fact, 2 NBA officials gave me different definitions of what it meant.

Welcome to NBA officiating.

Of course the most entertaining part of the play was the look on Joe Crawfords face when Salvatore blew the whistle from 30 feet away , on a play right in front of Joey

[mcuban]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Well, assuming you're not a moron you should be able to list the questionable calls that went both for & against your Mavs and show that yes indeedy without a doubt your Mavs got screwed. And I'll assume you're not a moron BTW because you readily admit the questionable calls went both ways.

I eagerly await your non-moronic reply.

How about this.

I can give you an off the top of my head listing from the last 3 minutes of Game 3. Feel free to go to the tape. These may not be in chronological order, but they are all in the last 180 seconds, so they arent hard to find.

1. Push off by shaq on dampier going for offensive rebound., right in front of Jack Nies

2. Minimal contact at most in backcourt by Terry on Wade. Its possible Nies thought it was an intentional foul and blew the whistle.

3. Haslem runs through Nowitzki to get a deflection which lead to his fastbreak

4. Terry runs down haslem and cleanly strips ball. Danny Crawford did a great job of staying ahead of the play and is staring right at the play and you can see his eyes following the ball off of haslems leg and out of bounds with no whistle. The miss comes when Ken mauer makes the call from at least 30 feet behind.

5. Shot that put Heat ahead. Payton pump fakes, sees Howard flying at him, rather than jumping into Howard and probably getting a legit foul and going to the line, he switches his pivot feet , dribbles to clear howard and hits his shot.

6. The precision timing system had been malfunctioning. In fact, its been doing so for years. The officials knew to be vigilant on the clock. Onthe above mentioned Terry foul, rather than the crew watching the clock , it runs down and no one catches it.

7. the same thing happens again with the clock a 2nd time, i think when dirk was fouled. Both were admitted by the league. Saying it was purely a clock malfunction.

Now these are 7 obvious miscues in the last 3 minutes of Game 3. would you like more ?

do i think the officials were out to get the Mavs ? no chance.

Do i think we put our officials in position to succeed. No.

[Larks]

Welcome aboard Mr. Cuban.

Was at an officials camp this weekend and heard from a reasonably realiable source that the game 5 questionable calls in the last few seconds were both CCs and that the crew received one of the highest ratings for a NBA playoff game ever.

Your comment if any.

[Larks]

Originally Posted by mcuban

Do i think we put our officials in position to succeed. No.

With respect, what could / should be done differently in your opinion?

Also, whats your take on the RA (aka half circle in the paint)? I think it adds a pretty complex thought process an official has to go through when considerig block / charge.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mcuban

Now these are 7 obvious miscues in the last 3 minutes of Game 3. would you like more ?

Geeze, another whiny azzhole shows up.....weeks after the game was played......


Let it go. It's only the NBA. Nobody cares.