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Wed Dec 19, 2001, 06:26pm
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Question: Player(team A)is in the backcourt sends a pass headed to the front court but is tipped by player(team B). Intended recipient of pass on (team A) has ball bounce off him as a result of the tipped pass and retreives the ball in the backcourt. Is this a backcourt violation?
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Wed Dec 19, 2001, 06:58pm
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I think this is a backcourt violation, but there is not enough information to say. If the ball bounced off the recipient in FC, this would be a violation. Here are the four requirements for a BC violation. If any one is missing, there is no violation:
(1) Team A has control. >>There is team control on the pass, team control for A does not end here because B did not gain control.<< (2) Ball has frontcourt status. >>I'm assuming from that the pass that was going into the frontcourt, it either touched the floor in the FC or a player in the FC.<< (3) An A player must be the last to touch the ball before it goes into the backcourt. >>It does not matter that it tipped off of B1 and then off of A2, it was still tipped back by A2.<< (4) A player from A must be the first to touch the ball in the backcourt. >>A2 apparently did this here.<< From what I'm assuming, this is a BC. There is no need for player control in the frontcourt, just team control and ball frontcourt status. For example, A1 and A2 are standing in the backcourt near the dividing line. A1 bounce-passes to A2, and the ball bounces in the front-court and then to A2. Backcourt violation in this case.
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Wed Dec 19, 2001, 07:07pm
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Not a violation
Just a reminder, three points of interest when checking frontcourt/backcourt.
1) Left Foot 2) Right Foot 3) Ball All three must enter the frontcourt (regarding PLAYER control) before the ball can be established in the frontcourt.
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Wed Dec 19, 2001, 07:15pm
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Re: Not a violation
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Wed Dec 19, 2001, 07:17pm
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Re: Not a violation
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In your case, A does have team control in the frontcourt (team control does not end upon the other team touching the ball) - it is not a violation because offense was not the last to touch before it went backcourt.
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Wed Dec 19, 2001, 07:18pm
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Only during dribbling
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Wed Dec 19, 2001, 07:27pm
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Note: the rule is not "touch in the backcourt", but "touch after the ball has been in the backcourt". There's a subtle difference, but it is moot here. The difference would come into play if, for instance, the ball hits an official in the backcourt then bounces back into the frontcourt. There are a few more examples. [Edited by Mark Padgett on Dec 19th, 2001 at 06:31 PM]
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Wed Dec 19, 2001, 07:40pm
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Let me restate your scenario. A1 throws pass to front court. B1, in front court, tips pass, tipped pass deflects off A2, in front court, toward backcourt, and then A2 (or any other A) retrieves in backcourt.
This is a violation. 1. A had team control 2. Ball had front court status 3. A was last to touch in front court 4. A was first to touch in back court Remember, the tip by B does not change the fact that A has team control. B must have player control to achieve team control. A has team control up until a dead ball or until B gets team control. So even though A does not have player control, A has not lost team control. Variations on a theme If A2 is backcourt when the tipped ball deflects, no violation - A2 was not last to touch in front court, B was, condition 4 not met. If neither A nor B are front court, no violation because ball never had front court status, condition 2 not met. If B ever touches ball after A2 deflects and before A retrieves in backcourt, no violation, because either condition 3 or condition 4 were not met (depending on position of B at time of touch. However, if A1 passes in backcourt (can even be toward A3 also backcourt), B is in backcourt and tips A1's pass into A2 in front court, then A2 steps backcourt to retrieve, you amazngly still have a bizarre backcourt violation because all four conditions above were met! Just one last fun variation 
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Wed Dec 19, 2001, 07:44pm
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I erroneously generalized about ball in backcourt. Mark P's revised post has it right. A must be first to touch afer ball has been in backcourt. Another example is a spinning ball that goes backcourt then returns front court - still a violation if A is last to touch before and first to touch after.
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Wed Dec 19, 2001, 08:56pm
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You guys are in sooooooooooooo much trouble when TH gets home!!!
chuck
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Wed Dec 19, 2001, 09:12pm
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I stand corrected...
After further reading the explinations I must agree that this is a BC violation. In lamens terms:
A player from the team in control must NOT be the last to touch the ball in the frontcourt and then the FIRST to touch the ball in the backcourt or you will have a backcourt violation. Thank you all for this explination as now I will make the correct call should this ever happen to me.
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Wed Dec 19, 2001, 09:23pm
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Re: I stand corrected...
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The team in control does not have to actually touch the ball in the frontcourt. They simply have to be the first to touch it after it was in the frontcourt. Similarly, they do not have to touch the ball, they only need to be the first to touch after it has been in the backcourt. Funky example: You're playing on a cruise ship which crosses the international date line . . . (oops, wrong example!) This would probably never happen according to the laws of physics, but let's assume it did. B2 just scored, and A1 inbounds to A2 (from OOB!!!!!!). A2 dribbles upcourt and, while in the backcourt, throws a bounce pass to A3 who is in the frontcourt. The ball hits the floor in the FC, then bounces into the BC, and finally bounces into the FC where A3 eventually picks up the ball - Backcourt Violation. Separating the two, let's take the touching the FC. A1 and A2 are standing in the backcourt near the dividing line. A1 bounce-passes to A2, and the ball bounces in the front-court and then to A2. Backcourt violation in this case. For touching the BC, A3 is dribbling in the FC. The ball gets away from him, touches the halfcourt line (which is, remember, in the backcourt), and then bounces back into the frontcourt where A3 picks the ball up - once again, a backcourt violation has occured.
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Wed Dec 19, 2001, 09:35pm
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This is not a violation in FIBA here is the actual rule:
40.1.2 The ball is considered to have returned to his backcourt when a player of the team in control of the ball is: The last to touch the ball in his front court, and then a player of that same team is the first to touch the ball, − After it has touched the backcourt, or − If this player is in contact with the backcourt. The last to touch the ball in his backcourt, following which the ball touches the front court, and then a player of that same team, who is in contact with the backcourt, is the first to touch the ball. This restriction applies to all situations in a team's front court, including throw-ins. Art. 23 Control of the ball 23.1 A player is in control of the ball when he is holding or dribbling or has a live ball at his disposal. 23.2 A team is in control of the ball when a player of that team is in control of a live ball or the ball is being passed between team-mates. Yet again a difference between NFHS and FIBA 
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