Backcourt Violation - Mavs Heat

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Kajun Ref N Texas

We can't blame the officials, but they sure could have done some things to keep themselves out of trouble. If DeRosa whould have been aware of the game situation, he could have asked Howard if he wanted the TO before or after the free throw.

Of course this would all be moot if Salvatore hadn't kicked the Nowistki foul against Wade.

Nowitski's right hand is clearly in Wade's back as he is releasing the ball. He jerks it away as he hears the whistle. That was a foul in the first quarter, it's a foul in the 4th quarter.

We've had the discussions before regarding timeouts. It's not my job to question the timing of your request. If you ask for timeout TWICE, signal for it as you're walking toward your bench as Howard did, you're getting a timeout.

Instead of blaming the officials, how about we hold the Mavs responsible for two stupid moves in the final 9 seconds of play? then there's the idiot Cuban, getting into a yelling match with Heat fans and yelling at DeRosa about he rule that he's completely wrong on.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Not so sure about that...while Howard was asking for the t.o., Avery and his asst coach (the one who used to be a head coach someplace) were both yelling "No" and giving the big wave-off sign...the ref certainly could have been aware of that...I think that's why Crawford came in and tried to talk de Rosa out of it, but he'd already blown and signalled so by then it really was too late.

Crawford didn't try to talk DeRosa out of it. Salvatore did. Why? Because he heard the Mav coaches. But he did not know Howard are made the request. Joe says, "Bennett, he requested it twice and signaled." Then Bennett says. "I didn't realize that." Joe again signals TO. Crawford then just tried to calm Johnson down and then went to Joe and Bennett just to make sure everyone was in agreement. Once DeRosa whistles the TO, it 's a TO.

Bottom line, Howard screwed up and Johnson screwed up. It would have been unfair to Miami to have said, "That didn't mean to call TO. We'll just let that go," after the TO has obviously been granted.

[Kajun Ref N Texas]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Nowitski's right hand is clearly in Wade's back as he is releasing the ball. He jerks it away as he hears the whistle. That was a foul in the first quarter, it's a foul in the 4th quarter.

We've had the discussions before regarding timeouts. It's not my job to question the timing of your request. If you ask for timeout TWICE, signal for it as you're walking toward your bench as Howard did, you're getting a timeout.

Instead of blaming the officials, how about we hold the Mavs responsible for two stupid moves in the final 9 seconds of play? then there's the idiot Cuban, getting into a yelling match with Heat fans and yelling at DeRosa about he rule that he's completely wrong on.

Not blaming the officials, as my opening line states, the Mavs certainly have much blame to go around, Nowitski missing another critical free throw, Howard missing two, Nowitski being absent most of the game, etc, etc.

Just pointing out that if DeRosa used some common sense officiating, we wouldn't be taking about the officials, we would be talking about the Mav's blowing the game.

And BTW, still a rotten foul call, first quarter or fourth.

[Jimgolf]

Originally Posted by Kajun Ref N Texas

Of course this would all be moot if Salvatore hadn't kicked the Nowistki foul against Wade.

Harris was holding onto Wade's arm as he went up. Some people have speculated they gave the foul to Nowitzki because Harris had 5 fouls, and Nowitzki was in the neighborhood anyway. See below.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Crawford didn't try to talk DeRosa out of it. Salvatore did. Why? Because he heard the Mav coaches. But he did not know Howard are made the request. Joe says, "Bennett, he requested it twice and signaled." Then Bennett says. "I didn't realize that." Joe again signals TO. Crawford then just tried to calm Johnson down and then went to Joe and Bennett just to make sure everyone was in agreement. Once DeRosa whistles the TO, it 's a TO.

Bottom line, Howard screwed up and Johnson screwed up. It would have been unfair to Miami to have said, "That didn't mean to call TO. We'll just let that go," after the TO has obviously been granted.

I agree that Howard screwed up...I also think DeRosa could have realized the bench was yelling "no" and not blown his whistle...certainly didn't cost Dallas the game - they blew that all on their own.

[BktBallRef]

How about that, Kajun? Nowitski in his back, Harris holding his arm. A picture is worth a thousand words, ain't it?

I guess we should listen to critics like you as opposed to an NBA veteran official of over 20 years.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I agree that Howard screwed up...I also think DeRosa could have realized the bench was yelling "no" and not blown his whistle...certainly didn't cost Dallas the game - they blew that all on their own.

From what I saw DJ, the Mavs weren't yelling "no" until after the TO was granted. There would be no reason for them to yell before the request and the grant.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

From what I saw DJ, the Mavs weren't yelling "no" until after the TO was granted. There would be no reason for them to yell before the request and the grant.

Hmmm...could have sworn Del Harris was up waving his arms and yelling and then Avery Johnson started also before DeRosa blew the whistle...but hey, I've been wrong before...anyway, Howard shouldn't have brain-farted...and missing two free throws with under 10 seconds to go didn't help Dallas either...

[Kajun Ref N Texas]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

How about that, Kajun? Nowitski in his back, Harris holding his arm. A picture is worth a thousand words, ain't it?

I guess we should listen to critics like you as opposed to an NBA veteran official of over 20 years.

Now, now, I didn't say that Harris didn't foul Wade, only that Nowitski didn't. And I do agree that this picture is conclusive...It conclusively shows that Harris's hand is between Wade's elbow and the camera.

Frustrated Mav's Fan

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Kajun Ref N Texas

Not blaming the officials, as my opening line states....

Just pointing out that if DeRosa used some common sense officiating, we wouldn't be taking about the officials.....

Oh no, you're not blaming the officials at all.

Yup, I can certainly see that.

Fanboys...

[Kajun Ref N Texas]

MAVS in 7

[KingTripleJump]

It's Nowitzki...with a z, not an s.

It did seem, however, that a few calls were "anticipatory" with Wade. A few times, nothing would happen or interrupt his positioning and we'd get a whistle, foul, and Wade would get an and 1 situation.

That was frustrating.

[ATXCoach]

KTJ, are you a ref here in Austin and/or just a Texas grad too?

[Texas Aggie]

>>Nowitski's right hand is clearly in Wade's back as he is releasing the ball.<<

Dude, don't make stuff up. Dirk's hand is a foot or more away from Wade BEFORE Wade released the ball.

[DPR]

check out harris' leg:


can someone totally clear up the backcourt thing? i still haven't heard a definitive rule on the situation that is understandable.