Backcourt violation or not

[stmaryrams]

Need some help, this came up the other night.

I had it one way but a friend of mine who is a varsity coach said he had it called differently in two other games.

Sitch - A1 has established frontcourt presence. They are dribbling as B1 reaches out and tips the ball, the ball tips off A1's leg or hand or assorted body part and goes into the backcourt where someone from A is the first to touch the ball.

I as trail had a violation as A had team control and was the last to touch the ball when it bounced off A1's body part in the frontcourt even though B1 knocked the ball from A's dribble.

My coach friend said he had it called the other way in two separate games saying that his team was not in control of the ball once it was tipped. In one of his games A1 and B1 went for the loose ball. A1 was last to touch in the frontcourt but did not have posession.

I'm sure there's an old casebook play out there.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by stmaryrams
Need some help, this came up the other night.

I had it one way but a friend of mine who is a varsity coach said he had it called differently in two other games.

Sitch - A1 has established frontcourt presence. They are dribbling as B1 reaches out and tips the ball, the ball tips off A1's leg or hand or assorted body part and goes into the backcourt where someone from A is the first to touch the ball.

I as trail had a violation as A had team control and was the last to touch the ball when it bounced off A1's body part in the frontcourt even though B1 knocked the ball from A's dribble.

My coach friend said he had it called the other way in two separate games saying that his team was not in control of the ball once it was tipped. In one of his games A1 and B1 went for the loose ball. A1 was last to touch in the frontcourt but did not have posession.

I'm sure there's an old casebook play out there.

You had it right.

[Stan]

You had it correct. View this situation as you would an out of bounds call.

9-9-1 ... or was touched by the ball...

[Edited by Stan on Dec 21st, 2005 at 10:38 AM]

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by stmaryrams
Need some help, this came up the other night.

I had it one way but a friend of mine who is a varsity coach said he had it called differently in two other games.

Sitch - A1 has established frontcourt presence. They are dribbling as B1 reaches out and tips the ball, the ball tips off A1's leg or hand or assorted body part and goes into the backcourt where someone from A is the first to touch the ball.

I as trail had a violation as A had team control and was the last to touch the ball when it bounced off A1's body part in the frontcourt even though B1 knocked the ball from A's dribble.

My coach friend said he had it called the other way in two separate games saying that his team was not in control of the ball once it was tipped. In one of his games A1 and B1 went for the loose ball. A1 was last to touch in the frontcourt but did not have posession.

I'm sure there's an old casebook play out there.

Your friend is mis-understanding team control, which doesn't end on a tip. TC continues until there's a shot, a dead ball, or the other team gains control.

[stmaryrams]

Thanks to all for the replies.

This is exactly why I recommend this board to all newer officials I work with.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally posted by stmaryrams
I had it one way but a friend of mine who is a varsity coach said he had it called differently in two other games.

Therein lies the problem. Take what he says with a grain of salt.

[stmaryrams]

I did and knowing that I may see something as an official that would be different than what a coach saw or heard.

Also his situation could have been different than he described as a coach does see they world through home team colored glasses.

Of course, the officials working his game may have booted one. Sometimes it happens.

[Ref Daddy]

ART. 1 . . . Be the first to touch a ball after it has been in team control in the frontcourt, if he/she or a teammate last touched or was touched by the ball in the frontcourt before it went to the backcourt.

ART. 2 . . . A team is in control of the ball when a player of the team is in control, while a live ball is being passed among teammates and during an interrupted dribble.

ART. 5 . . . An interrupted dribble occurs when the ball is loose after deflecting off the dribbler or after it momentarily gets away from the dribbler. There is no player control during an interrupted dribble.

[devdog69]

But also realize that he is probably correct in that he has had it called the other (i.e. wrong) way, there are many guys that either don't know or don't have the intestinal fortitude to call it right.