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[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by truerookie

Ok, I am wrong. It is not a legitimate try or tap.

No Basket!!!!!!

And you just became a better official.

[Edited by Nevadaref on Jan 20th, 2006 at 03:06 AM]

[johnny1784]

Originally posted by JRutledge
You cannot call 3 seconds at that point of the game.

Sorry, wrong post.

Peace

He posted... .3

[HawkeyeCubP]

Thank you everyone. I've been working it over in my head since leaving the office and I concur with your explanations.

I did think of one other thing (which is extremely silly, but it could happen, and I'd be suprised if there hasn't ever been a case written about it): Gym or arena with high ceiling - A is ahead by one or two points - A1, in a celebratory display, heaves the ball up into the air after receiving the inbounds pass in A's backcourt - ball is released prior to horn sounding, and subsequently goes through B's basket. No points awarded, I suppose. But I wouldn't want to have to explain it to B's head coach, who would've undoubtedly seen it.

Anyone ever seen or read of anything like that?

Thank you again to everyone for your responses.

Respectfully submitted,

[assignmentmaker]

6-7 NOTE:

"If A1's try or tap is legally touched in flight, the goal counts if made, if the horn sounds before or after the legal touching . . . "

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by assignmentmaker
6-7 NOTE:

"If A1's try or tap is legally touched in flight, the goal counts if made, if the horn sounds before or after the legal touching . . . "

Exactly. And if it ain't a "try or tap", like...maybe if it's a throw-in instead, then it doesn't count. Which is what everybody has been saying.

[SmokeEater]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Exactly. And if it ain't a "try or tap", like...maybe if it's a throw-in instead, then it doesn't count. Which is what everybody has been saying.

Or a "celebratory toss in the air". - Not a try so no basket.

[truerookie]

How do you handle this situation in the casebook? Is it any different?

Look at casebook 5.2.1 Sit (D) this covers throwin after a "T".

[truerookie]

Originally posted by Nevadaref

And you just became a better official.

[Edited by Nevadaref on Jan 20th, 2006 at 03:06 AM]

That is the objective! Thanks Nevada

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by truerookie
How do you handle this situation in the casebook? Is it any different?

Look at casebook 5.2.1 Sit (D) this covers throwin after a "T".

That situation is different in that there's no horn going off before the ball went through in that case play, thus making the ball dead. That's exactly why there's no basket in the play that we've been discussing.

It's two completely different situations that are still using the same principle-- i.e. a tipped throw-in is not a tap or try.

[assignmentmaker]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Exactly. And if it ain't a "try or tap", like...maybe if it's a throw-in instead, then it doesn't count. Which is what everybody has been saying.

Exactly.

[Ref in PA]

Originally posted by smoref
This didn't happen to me but was brought up in the locker room.

.3 second left in game Team A has ball OOB in front court. They are down by 1 point. A1 throws the ball toward the basket. Player B1 jumps up deflects the ball. The ball goes off the backboard, time expires, then the ball goes in the basket.

Do you count the basket?

No basket and here is why.

4-41 defines shooting, try or tap for goal. Since B1 deflected an inbounds pass towards A's basket, this does not qualify as a try or tap for goal by B1.

6-7 defines when a ball becomes dead with 6-7-6 becoming the important article (the period ending)

5-1-1 says a goal can only be counted when a live ball enters the goal from above.

So, the ball is dead when the period ends in this case and since the ball did not enter the basket before the end of the period, no basket is counted, even though the ball went through the goal after the horn ending the period.

[Texas Aggie]

If it went into the home team's basket, you better run like hell after canceling it. Nobody in the gym is going to like it.

[truerookie]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

That situation is different in that there's no horn going off before the ball went through in that case play, thus making the ball dead. That's exactly why there's no basket in the play that we've been discussing.

It's two completely different situations that are still using the same principle-- i.e. a tipped throw-in is not a tap or try.

Thanks, J. Ref.

[truerookie]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

That situation is different in that there's no horn going off before the ball went through in that case play, thus making the ball dead. That's exactly why there's no basket in the play that we've been discussing.

It's two completely different situations that are still using the same principle-- i.e. a tipped throw-in is not a tap or try.

Thanks, JRef

[Ref Daddy]

Originally posted by Texas Aggie
If it went into the home team's basket, you better run like hell after canceling it. Nobody in the gym is going to like it.

True, true, true.

This is all buried so deep down in the rulebook, I guarantee a reaction of epic proportions.

Can you imagine the reaction waving this off?