confused by the traveling rule

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by ysong
Imagine the following 3 scenarios:

A. A player catches a pass when he is in the air, lands on his left foot only, pauses, looks around, takes a drink, then put his right foot down.

B. A player catches a pass when he is in the air, lands on his left foot only, pauses, looks around, takes a drink, then "jumps" and lands on his right foot only.

C. A player catches a pass when he is in the air, lands on his left foot only, pauses, looks around, takes a drink, then "jumps" and lands on both feet.

Which one should I call travel?


[Edited by ysong on May 19th, 2005 at 03:30 PM]

None of these plays is a travel. All are covered perfectly by the rules.

[ysong]

Originally posted by bob jenkins

It depends on what you mean by "step" and "jump."

This rule only means what it says -- one foot followed by the other. At the time the "other" foot lands, the "first" foot might still be on the ground (I'm guessing this is your "step") or might now be in the air (I'm guessing this is your "jump").

Either way, the "first" foot is still the pivot foot, and all the pivot foot restrictions apply.

Thanks for answering my questions, Bob.

You made it very clear that you have no doubt at all a "jump" is allowed by this rule, even for an exaggerated, far and high, or "delayed", jump. I really appreciate you for that.

Now I am only curious. Have you seen any case books or clarifications/interpretations that specifically addressed this "issue"? Or do you deem the rule itself spells it loud and clear?

Thanks.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by ysong

Thanks for answering my questions, Bob.

You made it very clear that you have no doubt at all a "jump" is allowed by this rule, even for an exaggerated, far and high, or "delayed", jump. I really appreciate you for that.

Now I am only curious. Have you seen any case books or clarifications/interpretations that specifically addressed this "issue"? Or do you deem the rule itself spells it loud and clear?

Thanks.

The latter. If it were not allowed, many (most?) layups would be illegal.

[Camron Rust]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bob jenkins
[B]

Originally posted by ysong
Imagine the following 3 scenarios:

A. A player catches a pass when he is in the air, lands on his left foot only, pauses, looks around, takes a drink, then put his right foot down.

B. A player catches a pass when he is in the air, lands on his left foot only, pauses, looks around, takes a drink, then "jumps" and lands on his right foot only.

C. A player catches a pass when he is in the air, lands on his left foot only, pauses, looks around, takes a drink, then "jumps" and lands on both feet.

None of these plays is a travel. All are covered perfectly by the rules.

I think B is a travel.

The only rule that allows a player to catch-land-jump-land requires that the final landing be on both feet simultaneously. All other parts specify a single landing. A layup is a single landing....catch-land-step-shoot...and both feet may be briefly off the floor.

[rainmaker]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Camron Rust
[B]

Originally posted by bob jenkins

I think B is a travel.

The only rule that allows a player to catch-land-jump-land requires that the final landing be on both feet simultaneously. All other parts specify a single landing. A layup is a single landing....catch-land-step-shoot...and both feet may be briefly off the floor.

Really?!? I think this is just like a drive for a lay-up but slowed way down. If the player catches in mid-air, then touches with the left, then is in mid-air for a period of time then touches with the right, how is that a travel, regardless of how long each single item takes?

[ysong]

Just for information only.

I checked some websites that teach kids to play basketball. in the lay-up sections, some of them make it clear that the first stride is a "step", not a "jump", even though they do not emphasize the point that it has to be a step.

Of course, I have only sampled very limited number of websites, and all I have sampled are only for kids.


I am wondering if any coaches here want to provide some helpful insights? (so I can understand the rule backwards: based on how basketball is usually played to decide what the rules are supposed to be. Very unique, isn't it. )

Thanks.



[Edited by ysong on May 20th, 2005 at 02:37 PM]

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by rainmaker

Really?!? I think this is just like a drive for a lay-up but slowed way down. If the player catches in mid-air, then touches with the left, then is in mid-air for a period of time then touches with the right, how is that a travel, regardless of how long each single item takes?

Yes. Really.

Step vs. Jump. They're not the same. In the layup, the action between the two points of contact is generally a lateral move.

The whole intent of the this portion of the travel rule is to provide a way for a player to come to a stop....not stop...jump...stop.

No one has commented on the case I posed earlier:

A1 catches ball on one foot. A1 jumps off of that foot to shoot. B1 is in position to block the shot. A1 decides not to shoot and hangs onto the ball then lands on the other foot. Traveling? I think so.

[Edited by Camron Rust on May 20th, 2005 at 06:38 PM]

[lukealex]

Originally posted by Camron Rust

Step vs. Jump. They're not the same. In the layup, the action between the two points of contact is generally a lateral move.

A step would also be a stride, in which the player could have both feet off the floor simultaneously when the player is running.

A1 catches ball on one foot. A1 jumps off of that foot to shoot. B1 is in position to block the shot. A1 decides not to shoot and hangs onto the ball then lands on the other foot. Traveling? I think so.

I also think this is a travel because a shot attempt was started, then not released before the player landed.

You pose a good point by saying a step is a lateral movement.

This would describe a running layup on a fast break:

A1 has the ball, passes to A2 who catches the ball mid-air, in-stride. A2 lands on left foot, strides, lands on right foot, jumps for layup. I do not believe this is a travel.

Anybody disagree?

[ysong]

Originally posted by lukealex

I also think this is a travel because a shot attempt was started, then not released before the player landed.
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Anybody disagree?

You can always count on me for disagreements.

If your statement is taken out of context, then it lacks the support from any specific rules.

Your statement can also apply to a jump-stop when the player attempts to shoot then holds the ball and lands on both feet. but it is legal, however awkward it may look. agree or not?

Thanks.

[lukealex]

Originally posted by ysong Your statement can also apply to a jump-stop when the player attempts to shoot then holds the ball and lands on both feet. but it is legal, however awkward it may look. agree or not?

Thanks.

Actually I disagree, here is what I'm trying to get across:

That would be the difference between jump and step or stride, at least how I am trying to explain it. When the player jumps to shoot, he/she is beginning a shot, at which point the player must shoot or pass before returning to the floor.

Get what I'm saying?