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Old Tue Feb 15, 2005, 11:52am
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What are you going to do if one team does not want the warm up period? I think many of you are assuming that all coaches feel it is necessary and for the same reasons and want to warm up the same way.
This is really irrelevant. The original post said both coaches did agree to a warm-up period. How many different ways are there for basketball teams to warm up? The original post also mentioned a 20-30 minute delay for getting the injured player off the court. So then why would you disallow it?
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Old Tue Feb 15, 2005, 11:54am
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What if a player gets hurt during the warmups that you allowed? :-)

I have not heard of any officials in my area getting sued. Is this a real issue and how often does it happen? I try to do things right not out of fear of a lawsuit but because I am a basketball purist.
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Old Tue Feb 15, 2005, 12:02pm
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What if someone runs into the gym and shoots all the players? Come on, why blow this out of proportion? Someone got hurt badly enough during the game to require a stretcher and an ambulance. It took 30 minutes to get him off the court. The players and fans have to be a little shaken up. As long as the coaches agree, let them warm up for 3 minutes to get their minds back into the game. It has nothing to do with liability. It's common sense.

[Edited by Smitty on Feb 15th, 2005 at 12:07 PM]
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Old Tue Feb 15, 2005, 12:05pm
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my two pennies here

Let common sense prevail.
Give them their three minutes. Most teams use three minutes at half to warm up... They have been out 7 minutes. I'd rather delay a game for three more minutes than risk anything that could occur without the warm-up.

I ve done it for football and would do it for basketball.
Not only is there the physical but the mental here as has been mentioned
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Old Tue Feb 15, 2005, 12:11pm
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This is really irrelevant. The original post said both coaches did agree to a warm-up period. How many different ways are there for basketball teams to warm up? The original post also mentioned a 20-30 minute delay for getting the injured player off the court. So then why would you disallow it?
Actually it is very relevant. In the original post the coaches did not say how long (in the post) and to what extent the warm up should take place.

I also said that I do not see a point for the warm up, because if they have been sitting around for the last 20-30 minutes not anticipating the game is going to start, then I am not sure it is needed that much.

The question was asked because the person making the post was unsure. If you are working in your game, do whatever you want to do. I keep telling many of you that is your choice. But please do not make it seem like everything is going to go smoothly and everyone is going to just agree whether to have a warm up period or not. You also have to factor in what the rules states (which there are no specific rules to my knowledge on this issue), what your state says, and what might work the best for the specific situation.

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Old Tue Feb 15, 2005, 12:50pm
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I'm just being a smart arse, I'd probably give them a couple of minutes to get the blood pumping, it's no big deal.

My question still stands; are these frivolous law-suits really that prevalent? Many keep mentioning them and I don't want to be niave to this.
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Old Tue Feb 15, 2005, 01:06pm
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Injured player midway through second quarter. Player is unconscious and requires EMS. They take away player on a stretcher. There has been roughly a 20 to 30 minute game delay.
djskinn,

I checked your profile and it did not say where you are from. Please advise. The reason I am asking is this exact situation (of a player being seriously injured) occurred in Bettendorf, IA (I live in Davenport). The injured player was from the Home team and luckily was able to go home that night. I spoke to the Visiting team coach the next day (our kids played each other in youth game), and he stated that the player was unconcious, eyes rolled back, and in seizures. They removed both teams and officials from the court until they had removed the player by ambulance.

In regards to Rut's comments that there are other places to warmup, it is really hard to warm up in a locker room.

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Old Tue Feb 15, 2005, 01:08pm
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In regards to Rut's comments that there are other places to warmup, it is really hard to warm up in a locker room.

I stretch in the locker room all the time. You do not need to shoot baskets to warm up. But then again, remember this discussion when a coach does not like the decision you make on the court. You would be surprised with what they come up with.

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Old Tue Feb 15, 2005, 01:16pm
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But then again, remember this discussion when a coach does not like the decision you make on the court. You would be surprised with what they come up with.

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Rut, while I do coach a 5th grade team, I also officiate football. Just because somebody makes a comment, that you do not agree with does not mean you get to make offhand comments. I think overall, you would be surprised at the fact that in coaching 30 games this year I have only been given the stop sign once. Not all coaches are ignorant of the rules or proper procedures. Around here our varsity teams will take the floor with 15+ players on the bench. Not all schools have adequate locker room space for them to properly stretch. Remember, 15 people take up a lot more space than 2 - 3.
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Old Tue Feb 15, 2005, 01:18pm
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Ummm Rut,

You and your partner(s) stretching in a locker room is nothing compared to a team stretching in a locker room. I used to be a high school coach, and the officials had more room to stretch in their room than my boys did in the locker room. The comparision is like apples and oranges.
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Old Tue Feb 15, 2005, 01:30pm
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Rut, while I do coach a 5th grade team, I also officiate football. Just because somebody makes a comment, that you do not agree with does not mean you get to make offhand comments. I think overall, you would be surprised at the fact that in coaching 30 games this year I have only been given the stop sign once. Not all coaches are ignorant of the rules or proper procedures. Around here our varsity teams will take the floor with 15+ players on the bench. Not all schools have adequate locker room space for them to properly stretch. Remember, 15 people take up a lot more space than 2 - 3.
I did not make my comments because you are a coach or not. I simply stated that what you might consider warming up, another coach might not see as warming up. At least when this thread started my comments were geared towards getting basketballs out and shooting. But during that delay there is nothing that states players cannot stretch or loosen up to get ready to play. They can do that in the locker room or on the floor. It would depend on where the injury was and if the players were in a position to interfere with the handling of that injury. There are a lot of factors to this. I could even see a suspension of the game depending on the nature of the injury and the time it takes to deal with the injury.

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Old Tue Feb 15, 2005, 01:33pm
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Ummm Rut,

You and your partner(s) stretching in a locker room is nothing compared to a team stretching in a locker room. I used to be a high school coach, and the officials had more room to stretch in their room than my boys did in the locker room. The comparision is like apples and oranges.
Actually you are taking the comments a little too seriously. My point is that you do not need the entire floor to lossen up or locker room.

Also all facilities are not the same. So there are cases where a locker room is big enough to do that. Again, you have to deal with what the coaches might think is adaquete for them. What they might think is OK, you might have a problem with. Just a fact of life. And was something I had to deal with in our playoff game this past football season.

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Old Tue Feb 15, 2005, 01:39pm
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In regards to Rut's comments that there are other places to warmup, it is really hard to warm up in a locker room.

I stretch in the locker room all the time. You do not need to shoot baskets to warm up. But then again, remember this discussion when a coach does not like the decision you make on the court. You would be surprised with what they come up with.

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Actually the proper way to warm up is to do game-type movements at half-speed, THEN stretch, and then do full speed.

Cold muscles SHOULD NOT be stretched.
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Old Tue Feb 15, 2005, 01:48pm
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Injured player midway through second quarter. Player is unconscious and requires EMS. They take away player on a stretcher. There has been roughly a 20 to 30 minute game delay.
djskinn,

I checked your profile and it did not say where you are from. Please advise.

IAUMP,

I officiate out of Charlotte, NC. Our player was having a seizure after a blocking call, first time I had that happen to me as an official. By the way, this game occurred in Charlotte as well.
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Old Tue Feb 15, 2005, 01:53pm
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Actually the proper way to warm up is to do game-type movements at half-speed, THEN stretch, and then do full speed.

Cold muscles SHOULD NOT be stretched.
This comes back to my point. I am not a trainer or a doctor and in most cases neither are the coaches. So either way I have to make a decision that is best for the game. Until there is a specific rule created to take this issue on, we are going to do what we feel is best. Remember, every official in the country or your area is not reading this board. Neither are the coaches reading this either. This is a great discussion, but not everyone is going to come to the same conclusion on this. No matter what they say. No matter what I say.

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