Disqualifications Five Fouls ...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I also recall an NFHS play ruling stating to hold any incoming substitutes while waiting for a DQ’d player to be replaced and then bring them all in.

I also recalled the same thing until I found an old thread with a post from Nevadaref that indicated otherwise, later (today) contradicting himself (I'm not the only one who can do neat trick).

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...tml#post555187

So I did a little more research in my old rulebooks and found this:

2003-04 NFHS Points of Emphasis

5) Substituting Player - Disqualifications

G) When a substitute approaches the scorer’s table from the offending team the administering official (and/or the official scorer) should ask the player if he/she is intending to replace the disqualified player.

H) If a substitute from the non-offending team or a substitute for the offending team for someone other than the disqualified player reports to the scorer during the wait for the required substitute, they may enter the game. (3-3-1-D)

I) A warning horn shall now be sounded at 20 seconds (now 15 seconds) if the required substitute has not reported to the scorer’s table. This is an indication to the head coach that a substitute should report immediately (2-12-5). This warning horn does not have the same substitution restrictions as a warning horn for a time-out (3-3-1a); other substitutes from either team may still report and enter the game until the ball is about to become live. (3-3-2)

2023-24 NFHS Rules

3-3-1-D: If entry is at any time other than between quarters, and a substitute who is entitled and ready to enter reports to the scorer, the scorer must use a sounding device or game horn, if, or as soon as, the ball is dead and the clock is stopped.

3-3-1-A: A substitute who desires to enter must report to the scorer, giving his/her number.
a. Between quarters, at halftime and during a time-out, the substitute must report or be in position to report to the scorer, prior to the warning signal which is sounded 15 seconds before the end of the intermission or the

3-3-2: The substitute must remain outside the boundary until an official beckons, whereupon he/she must enter immediately. If the ball is about to become live, the beckoning signal should be withheld. The entering substitute must not replace a designated jumper or a free thrower except as in 8-2 and 8-3. If the substitute enters to replace a player who must jump or attempt a free throw, he/she must withdraw until the next opportunity to substitute.

2-12-5: Sound a warning signal to announce 15 seconds (maximum) permitted for replacing a disqualified or injured player, or for a player directed to leave the game.

I guess that artificial intelligence isn't as intelligent as many make it out to be.

Or, has there been a NFHS change regarding this since 2003-04 (or 2008-09)?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... has there been a NFHS change regarding this since 2003-04 (or 2008-09)?

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I also recall an NFHS play ruling stating to hold any incoming substitutes while waiting for a DQ’d player to be replaced and then bring them all in. I believe that was in the NFHS Interps and should be in the archive on this website.

The plot thickens ....

2002-03 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations
SITUATION 3: A1 fouls out of the game. The Team A coach talks to a substitute and within 15 seconds sends the substitute to the table to report in the game. A Team B player then requests a time-out. RULING: Since a time-out may not be granted until a disqualified player is replaced, the administering official should ask the substitute at the table if he/she is the replacement for A1. If so, the time-out may be granted. If not, the substitute shall remain at the table and the coach must still replace A1 within the specified timeframe before the time-out may be granted. (3-3-1;10-5-1d; 5-8-3b)

2020-21 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations
SITUATION 10: A1 fouls out of the game. The Team A coach talks to a substitute and within 15 seconds sends the substitute to the table to report in the game. A Team B player then requests a time-out. RULING: Since a time-out may not be granted until a disqualified player is replaced, the administering official should ask the substitute at the table if he/she is the replacement for A1. If so, the time-out may be granted. If not, the substitute shall remain at the table and the coach must still replace A1 within the specified timeframe before the time-out may be granted. (3-3-1, 5-8-3b, 10-6-2)

Could artificial intelligence really be intelligent? Do artificial sweeteners taste sweet? Is artificial turf turf?

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Found this on ChatGPT (artificial intelligence): Substitution Process: Only after the disqualified player has been replaced can other substitutes enter the game, provided they have properly reported to the scorer's table. In summary, no other substitutes can enter the game before the disqualified player is replaced. The disqualified player must be substituted first, after which the game may continue and other substitutions may be allowed.

Did JRutledge nail this?

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would want to know if the substitute is or can come in for the disqualified player. If so then I am letting them in. If this is not the sub coming in for the the DQ'd player then I might wait until the DQ'd situation is complete or obvious not to confuse the issue.

[Altor]

I can't provide a citation for holding the pending subs at the table until the required sub has reported, but I can give a reason why this might be a good idea:

Say A6 is waiting to sub in for A1, who is their best FT shooter. B3 is required to be replaced and while you are waiting, you beckon in A6. B-HC does not make the substitution in the required time, and you must assess a TF. A-HC wants A1 to shoot the FTs, but now he can't enter until he sits a tick.

By holding the sub, you give A-HC more options on who can shoot the FTs.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... it has been referenced that when a sub is coming into the game for a DQ'd situation, all other subs may come in when they are available at the time.

Originally Posted by Altor

I can't provide a citation for holding the pending subs at the table until the required sub has reported ...

We’ve got a 2003-04 NFHS Points of Emphasis that says that if a substitute (from either or both teams) for someone other than the disqualified player reports to the scorer during the wait for the required substitute, they may enter the game.

Conversely, we’ve got a 2020-21 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretation that says that the substitute shall remain at the table until the disqualified player has been replaced.

Unless someone convinces me otherwise, I’m going with the most recent interpretation, substitutes shall remain at the table until the disqualified player has been replaced.