Violation?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Wait a minute?

Unlike a fumble, is this considered a dribble, and as such does the "three points" (two feet and the ball) rule apply, thus no backcourt?

What if it was was a real un-intentional fumble (muff) after catching a pass, where the start of a dribble would normally be perfectly legal?

Would that also be considered a "dribble" (knowing that another (real) dribble would be legal?), and as such does the "three points" (two feet and the ball) rule apply, thus no backcourt?

I understand that a fumble after one ends one's dribble would be backcourt because the "three points" (two feet and the ball) rule would not apply.

That is a dribble and thus not a violation.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That is a dribble and thus not a violation.

Nevaderef: I'm not sure which question you're answering, the deliberate backspin after a pass caught situation, or the fumble (muff) after a pass caught situation?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Nevaderef: I'm not sure which question you're answering, the deliberate backspin after a pass caught situation, or the fumble (muff) after a pass caught situation?

The deliberate throw with backspin meets the definition of a dribble.
A muff or fumble does not.

Hence, your Sit A is legal, while Sit B and Sit C are violations.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Situation A: A1 receives a pass from a teammate while both are in in A1's backcourt. A1 catches the ball then intentionally throws the ball across the plane of the division line with backspin such the ball hits the floor in the frontcourt, and bounces back toward A1, who catches the ball while A1 is still in his backcourt.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The deliberate throw with backspin meets the definition of a dribble.

Agree.

"Three points" (two feet and the ball) rule applies, thus no backcourt.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Situation B: A1 receives a pass from a teammate while both are in in A1's backcourt. A1 unintentionally muffs (without ever holding the ball) the ball. The ball hits the floor in the frontcourt, and somehow bounces back toward A1, who catches the ball while A1 is still in his backcourt. A1 then starts a dribble while in the backcourt.

Situation C: A1 receives a pass from a teammate while both are in A1's backcourt. A1 catches the ball and takes two dribbles and then holds the ball, all while still in the backourt. A1 then unintentionally fumbles the ball. The ball hits the floor in the frontcourt, and somehow bounces back toward A1, who catches the ball while A1 is still in his backcourt.

4-4-6: Ball Location: During a dribble from backcourt to frontcourt, the ball is in the frontcourt when the ball and both feet of the dribbler touch the court entirely in the frontcourt.

Note: 4-4-6 says dribble, not fumble.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

... while Sit B and Sit C are violations.

Agree.

Because 4-4-6 is about a dribble, not a muff or fumble.