Fun With Behind The Backboard …

[BillyMac]

IAABO Make The Call Video

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Is this an out of bounds violation? The ball passes behind the backboard on this cross-court pass. Is that considered out of bounds?

Two choices: This is a violation. This is not a violation.

My comment: This is not a violation. The front, top, sides, and bottom of the backboard are all in play. The ball cannot legally pass over, but it can pass behind, a rectangular backboard from either direction. The back of a backboard is out of bounds, as well as the supporting structures.

[BillyMac]

Some IAABO members have commented that White #2 may have touched the boundary with his right foot before releasing his cross court pass.

Also, and I'm embarrassed to say this, several IAABO members who commented just don't know the rule.

[JRutledge]

Not sure what they are asking here. It is not a violation to throw a pass outside the plane of the out-of-bounds line. It honestly looks like a Travel before the pass, but that was not the question.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Also, and I'm embarrassed to say this, several IAABO members who commented just don't know the rule.

Did any of them post a long, rambling, off-topic (or only tangentially related) essay on the history of the backboard?

That would be more embarrassing

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Did any of them post a long, rambling, off-topic (or only tangentially related) essay on the history of the backboard?

Thanks for the idea:

(Wilt) Chamberlain is also credited with a rule change regarding inbounding the ball by front court inbounders standing behind the endline underneath their basket. His (Kansas) teammates would routinely inbound the ball by lobbing the ball over the backboard where Chamberlain would catch the lob pass and dunk the ball into the basket for an easy score. In 1956, the NCAA, followed by the NFHS in 1957, ruled that the ball is out of bounds when it passes over a rectangular backboard (in either direction).

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Not sure what they are asking here. It is not a violation to throw a pass outside the plane of the out-of-bounds line.

IAABO is trying to see if members will confuse "over" the backboard rules with "behind" the backboard rules, and some IAABO members, unfortunately, were confused.

Do to a lack of controversy, or a lack of a challenging rule interpretation, I almost didn't post this IAABO Make The Call Video on the Forum, until I started reading many incorrect comments.

[JRutledge]

It seems like they need to in plays like this state this is not a violation or show a legal play, but this muddies the waters with other rules that do not apply. I guess, not my organization.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It seems like they need to in plays like this state this is not a violation or show a legal play, but this muddies the waters with other rules that do not apply.

Agree. The question should have been: The ball passes behind the backboard on this cross-court pass. Is that considered out of bounds?

Adding the question: Is this an out of bounds violation? did muddy the waters, especially when there is possibility that White #2 may have touched the boundary with his right foot before releasing his cross court pass.

Note: I do not believe that White #2 touched the boundary with his right foot before releasing his cross court pass.

While IAABO members have to choose one of the limited answers offered (two choices in this video), all members must write a comment explaining their answer in order to cast a "vote". No explanatory comment means no "vote". Also, one can't see "votes" and explanatory comments from others until one posts one's own "vote" and explanatory comment.

[Raymond]

Great pass after putting himself in a bad position.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Great pass after putting himself in a bad position.

Agree. Knowing in advance (we see the questions before we click on the video) that this video was going to be about a pass behind the backboard, as I was watching the video I was thinking to myself that there was no way that White #2 was going to get out of this jam with a cross court pass behind the backboard.

But he did. Bravo.

[BillyMac]

Several years ago, working with one of the best officials on my local high school board. Highly rated (big rivalry games every Friday night). Respected by coaches (several state finals as voted by coaches). Knows the rules (rules training committee and mechanics training committee). Knows the game (former star college player). Also officiates NCAA.

I'm Lead. Three point attempt from opposite my side. Like any well trained Lead, I've got my eyes down watching for rebounding action. Not watching the ball. There's an odd pause in the rebounding action. Over my shoulder I see the ball hitting out of bounds on the floor directly behind the basket.

Sound my whistle. Stop the clock. I don't have a call. Ask my partner for help. Indicates we're going the other way. I inbound the ball.

Halftime intermission. I ask my partner about the "help" out of bounds call, "What happened?".

Reply was, "Shot bounced off the rim and went over the backboard, but it didn't touch anything".

I replied to, "Double check the rule", which was immediately followed by a knock on the locker room door to start the second half.

I never followed up. Is the NCAA "over the (rectangular) backboard in either direction" rule the same as the NFHS rule?

[crosscountry55]

My biggest concern watching this video wasn’t the play. It was game management and what was surely violations of fire code regulations.


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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

It was game management and what was surely violations of fire code regulations.

Keen eye crosscountry55.

1-20: Non-playing personnel must be located outside the free-throw lane lines extended toward the sidelines throughout the game.

Among other problems.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

My biggest concern watching this video wasn’t the play. It was game management and what was surely violations of fire code regulations.


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I doubt they were anywhere near a fire code violation. Many gyms are also spec'd to be used with rows of season filling the floor for non-sports gatherings. Such an arrangement would support hundreds more than could stand on the endline.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

... violations of fire code regulations.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I doubt they were anywhere near a fire code violation.

Is there a "Firefighter Forum"?