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Old Tue Dec 03, 2019, 01:14pm
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That makes sense, however there is no current A.R. that addresses both situations happening as the OP describes. My solution might resolve the OP situation.
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Old Tue Dec 03, 2019, 02:05pm
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That makes sense, however there is no current A.R. that addresses both situations happening as the OP describes. My solution might resolve the OP situation.
We don't need AR's that cover all possible combinations of events. If we did, the book would be the size of the Encyclopedia Britannica.
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Old Tue Dec 03, 2019, 02:12pm
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We don't need AR's that cover all possible combinations of events. If we did, the book would be the size of the Encyclopedia Britannica.
What's an Encyclopedia Britannica?

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Old Tue Dec 03, 2019, 04:09pm
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We might be able to have such a repository of the A.R.'s, because we don't need to keep it in physical form. There is a thing called the Internet /s.

All sarcasm aside, I would assess both penalties, first for the fans on the court, then for the players leaving the bench for an unauthorized reason (premature celebration).
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Old Tue Dec 03, 2019, 04:19pm
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We might be able to have such a repository of the A.R.'s, because we don't need to keep it in physical form. There is a thing called the Internet /s.

All sarcasm aside, I would assess both penalties, first for the fans on the court, then for the players leaving the bench for an unauthorized reason (premature celebration).
Just penalize one or the other. Once one occurs the other is not holding up the game. You will have enforced a penalty without being overly officious.

IOW, what Bob said.
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Old Tue Dec 03, 2019, 05:39pm
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That makes sense. If I was Art, I would make sure to write up that interpretation officially, either as an AR or in a bulletin, to make things less confusing, and to prevent literal-minded officials from enforcing both penalties.
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Old Tue Dec 03, 2019, 07:02pm
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That makes sense. If I was Art, I would make sure to write up that interpretation officially, either as an AR or in a bulletin, to make things less confusing, and to prevent literal-minded officials from enforcing both penalties.
Again, you can't write up everything. If they did, it would take you until 2048 to read them all. Learn principles, not memorize every permutation of events.
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Old Wed Dec 04, 2019, 02:59am
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That makes sense. If I was Art, I would make sure to write up that interpretation officially, either as an AR or in a bulletin, to make things less confusing, and to prevent literal-minded officials from enforcing both penalties.
As a game official you are supposed to prevent and solve problems not cause and compound them. If your mentality is to double-whack a team for what they thought was a game-winning shot, you are going to fail as an official.

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Old Wed Dec 04, 2019, 10:43am
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Technically, I would not be double-whacking the team. I would merely be administering the penalties for illegal actions by the team (the class B technical foul) and its followers (the administrative technical foul).

However, I see Bob's point in ruling that the delay by the fans stopped the game, so the team members entering the court did not further delay the game.
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