Leaving the bench prematurely?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Standing by for the NCAA interps of this case.

From the NCAAM case book; empahsis added (NCAAW is at least substatially the same). In 99% of the cases, the actions do not stop the ball from being put in play -- there's a TO, or a monitor review, or the team members don't get far enough on the floor to stop the long pass by the other team, or ...

A.R. 263. Team B leads, 67-66. A1’s two-point try for goal is successful, but
there is no indication that time has expired. Assuming that the successful try
was a game-ending and winning goal:
1. Bench personnel from Team A; or
2. Fans from Team A go onto the playing court to celebrate.
RULING: When the celebration causes a delay by preventing the ball
from being promptly made live or prevents continuous play:
1: A CLASS B technical foul shall be assessed to the head coach of
Team A. The coach’s technical foul does not count toward the team
foul total but does count toward the coach’s ejection.
2: An administrative technical foul shall be assessed to the offending
team. This administrative technical foul does not apply to the team
foul total.
Any player from Team B shall attempt one free throw and play shall
resume at the point of interruption. When the celebration does not
delay or interfere with play, the celebration shall be ignored.
(Rule 10-2.8.d and Penalty, and 10-4.2.h and Penalty)

[Jqb12]

Thank You

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

From the NCAAM case book; empahsis added (NCAAW is at least substatially the same). In 99% of the cases, the actions do not stop the ball from being put in play -- there's a TO, or a monitor review, or the team members don't get far enough on the floor to stop the long pass by the other team, or ...

A.R. 263. Team B leads, 67-66. A1’s two-point try for goal is successful, but
there is no indication that time has expired. Assuming that the successful try
was a game-ending and winning goal:
1. Bench personnel from Team A; or
2. Fans from Team A go onto the playing court to celebrate.
RULING: When the celebration causes a delay by preventing the ball
from being promptly made live or prevents continuous play:
1: A CLASS B technical foul shall be assessed to the head coach of
Team A. The coach’s technical foul does not count toward the team
foul total but does count toward the coach’s ejection.
2: An administrative technical foul shall be assessed to the offending
team. This administrative technical foul does not apply to the team
foul total.
Any player from Team B shall attempt one free throw and play shall
resume at the point of interruption. When the celebration does not
delay or interfere with play, the celebration shall be ignored.
(Rule 10-2.8.d and Penalty, and 10-4.2.h and Penalty)

Why is there only one free throw? AFAIK, both Class B and administrative technical fouls have a 1 free throw penalty, so if both happen simultaneously, it would only make sense to enforce both fouls.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

Why is there only one free throw? AFAIK, both Class B and administrative technical fouls have a 1 free throw penalty, so if both happen simultaneously, it would only make sense to enforce both fouls.

The two cases in the AR are separate. In one, the bench (and no fans) goes out; in two the fans (and no bench) goes out.

That said, if the both went out, the first would stop all action, so the second wouldn't further delay the game.

[ilyazhito]

That makes sense, however there is no current A.R. that addresses both situations happening as the OP describes. My solution might resolve the OP situation.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

That makes sense, however there is no current A.R. that addresses both situations happening as the OP describes. My solution might resolve the OP situation.

We don't need AR's that cover all possible combinations of events. If we did, the book would be the size of the Encyclopedia Britannica.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

We don't need AR's that cover all possible combinations of events. If we did, the book would be the size of the Encyclopedia Britannica.

What's an Encyclopedia Britannica?

https://youtu.be/pP4aIH9s_ZI

[ilyazhito]

We might be able to have such a repository of the A.R.'s, because we don't need to keep it in physical form. There is a thing called the Internet /s.

All sarcasm aside, I would assess both penalties, first for the fans on the court, then for the players leaving the bench for an unauthorized reason (premature celebration).

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

We might be able to have such a repository of the A.R.'s, because we don't need to keep it in physical form. There is a thing called the Internet /s.

All sarcasm aside, I would assess both penalties, first for the fans on the court, then for the players leaving the bench for an unauthorized reason (premature celebration).

Just penalize one or the other. Once one occurs the other is not holding up the game. You will have enforced a penalty without being overly officious.

IOW, what Bob said.