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Old Tue Feb 12, 2019, 06:00pm
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Old Tue Feb 12, 2019, 06:27pm
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You must be watching this on a phone, because on my 19" desktop monitor the defender is clearly outside of the RA.
I was watching the video on a laptop, and I had the defender in the RA (the "on or over" language comes to mind). Even if he were not in the RA, the defender still failed to beat the offensive player to the spot prior to the offensive player going airborne, so there would be a block anyway.
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Old Tue Feb 12, 2019, 06:29pm
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I was watching the video on a laptop, and I had the defender in the RA (the "on or over" language comes to mind). Even if he were not in the RA, the defender still failed to beat the offensive player to the spot prior to the offensive player going airborne, so there would be a block anyway.
He's not in the RA, and if you went to the monitor to review this play you would be getting it wrong by saying he's in the RA.

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Old Tue Feb 12, 2019, 07:31pm
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He's not in the RA, and if you went to the monitor to review this play you would be getting it wrong by saying he's in the RA.

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His right foot was certainly not in the RA. However, I'm not so sure about the left. It appears he may be out, but I can't say with 100% certainty from the angle we have that his heel was not over the RA.
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Old Tue Feb 12, 2019, 08:06pm
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. . .defaulted and called a foul on the defender as we tend to do. Peace
Why do "we" tend to do that? Because still, in spite of the clinical imprecations of J.D. and others for us to go up with a closed-fist stop clock signal first, too many of "we" still impulsively go up with two fists in the air at first contact which is the habitual precursor of the dynamic fist-banging on the hips, thus the default block. The beginning habit compels the end call, regardless the inaccuracy.
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Old Wed Feb 13, 2019, 10:49am
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PC. Slo mo confirms.

Extremely difficult play to rule on in real time, though. B1 made an outstanding athletic play to obtain LGP before A1 became an airborne shooter.
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Old Wed Feb 13, 2019, 12:23pm
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Why do "we" tend to do that? Because still, in spite of the clinical imprecations of J.D. and others for us to go up with a closed-fist stop clock signal first, too many of "we" still impulsively go up with two fists in the air at first contact which is the habitual precursor of the dynamic fist-banging on the hips, thus the default block. The beginning habit compels the end call, regardless the inaccuracy.
I cannot explain why other people do this, but I think it is easier to justify a blocking foul because most people do not understand the rule. And I am not talking about the officials. I am talking about the coaches and players and even fans. Usually, PC fouls are more controversial in nature. You get all kinds of comments as if to suggest there is no way you could have called a PC foul, even though all the rules requirements are met. Even Camaron's position to me is part of the problem. Because he is asking for the defender to be damn near perfect in order to have a PC foul when the rules and even the administrators like JD are clearly saying things like this should be called a PC foul. No one made a stink over this call when the officials called this foul. It would have been minutes of Bilas going on and on about how that is not a PC foul and how the NCAA needs to address the issue over what appears to many her as a clear PC foul.

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Old Wed Feb 13, 2019, 01:20pm
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Why do "we" tend to do that? Because still, in spite of the clinical imprecations of J.D. and others for us to go up with a closed-fist stop clock signal first, too many of "we" still impulsively go up with two fists in the air at first contact which is the habitual precursor of the dynamic fist-banging on the hips, thus the default block. The beginning habit compels the end call, regardless the inaccuracy.
Most of the officials who go directly to pounding their hips are veteran, established officials--at the college and HS levels.
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The defender clearly got in front of the cutter/ball handler. Now in live time this was very close. But his feet are both "set" which is not a requirement and not sure what his torso has to do when both your feet are planted in the ground?

This to me was a charge all the way. I think the lead rotated last and did not see the defender clearly and defaulted and called a foul on the defender as we tend to do.
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Old Wed Feb 13, 2019, 03:50pm
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Since I also said block....he got his feet down for sure but his torso was not yet in the path until after the shooter jumped. You don't own a spot until your body is over it....your feet only mark the space you own if they are inside your shoulders. Therefore, he didn't have LGP in time.
Looks like his torso is in the path. Offense is just leaving floor.

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Old Wed Feb 13, 2019, 04:21pm
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Looks like his torso is in the path. Offense is just leaving floor.
Perhaps so, depending on what the path is....and you can't tell that from a still shot.
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Old Wed Feb 13, 2019, 05:12pm
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Perhaps so, depending on what the path is....and you can't tell that from a still shot.
Still shots just aren't necessarily conclusive. Context is typically absent.

We need to see the beginning, middle and end of the play for total assessment.
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Old Wed Feb 13, 2019, 05:24pm
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The mistake is expecting perfection by the defense. Playing defense is hard.

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The mistake is expecting perfection by the defense. Playing defense is hard.

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So, you expect perfection from the offense? Isn't it hard too?
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Old Thu Feb 14, 2019, 01:33am
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The foot is outside the shoulder and I think there is first contact there.

Tough call, but I'm sure I would have called it the defense in real time.
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