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Old Sat Jan 26, 2019, 07:56am
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Back Court violation?

Throwing by A1 undrer their basket in the front Court. Deep pass toward the division line. Pass is deflected by B2 then touched by A2 who jumped from front court. Ball then lands in the backcourt. Ball is then recovered by A2. Violation or play on?
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Old Sat Jan 26, 2019, 09:46am
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Team Control was not established in the FC
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Old Sat Jan 26, 2019, 10:19am
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Throwin by A1 under their basket in the frontcourt. Deep pass toward the division line. Pass is deflected by B2 then touched by A2 who jumped from front court. Ball then lands in the backcourt. Ball is then recovered by A2.
The four elements for having a backcourt violation are: there must be team control (and initial player control when coming from a throwin); the ball must have achieved frontcourt status; the team in team control must be the last to touch the ball before it goes into the backcourt; that same team must be the first to touch after the ball has been in the backcourt.
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Old Sat Jan 26, 2019, 10:25am
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Throwin by A1 under their basket in the front Court. Deep pass toward the division line. Pass is deflected by B2 then touched by A2 who jumped from front court. Ball then lands in the backcourt. Ball is then recovered by A2.
Now let's change it up a little.

Situation B: Throwin by A1 on the endline in Team A's frontcourt. Deep throwin pass toward the division line. Throwin pass is deflected by B2 in Team A's frontcourt and then A2, while jumping from Team A's frontcourt, secures control of the ball with both feet off the floor and returns to the floor with both feet in Team A's backcourt. You make the call.
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Old Sat Jan 26, 2019, 10:42am
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The four elements for having a backcourt violation are: there must be team control (and initial player control when coming from a throwin); the ball must have achieved frontcourt status; the team in team control must be the last to touch the ball before it goes into the backcourt; that same team must be the first to touch after the ball has been in the backcourt.
Rules citation please. Specifically that team control has to be established in the front court inbounds. (ie the team control OOB does not count)
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Old Sat Jan 26, 2019, 10:50am
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Rules citation please. Specifically that team control has to be established in the front court inbounds. (ie the team control OOB does not count)
Player control has to be established in bounds before you can have any type of backcourt violation.

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and initial player control when coming from a throwin
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Old Sat Jan 26, 2019, 10:52am
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Player control has to be established in bounds before you can have any type of backcourt violation.



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Rules citation please. I am in an argument with like 5 different officials that think this is a backcourt. The rules as worded seems to back them.
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Old Sat Jan 26, 2019, 10:54am
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Rules citation please. I am in an argument with like 5 different officials that think this is a backcourt. The rules as worded seems to back them.
9-9-3

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Old Sat Jan 26, 2019, 10:55am
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Next NFHS Rules Editor ???

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(the team control OOB does not count)
Nice. Better than what the NFHS offers us in the rulebook, and so simply put.
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Old Sat Jan 26, 2019, 10:58am
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That is the provision that a backcourt would not count when caught in the air jumping from frontcourt to backcourt. In my situation, this provision ends when B touches the ball, and in Billy Macs play makes it a backcourt violation. This article does not strengthen my argument.
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Old Sat Jan 26, 2019, 11:01am
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9-9-3
9-9 BACKCOURT
ART. 1 A player shall not be the first to touch the ball after it has been
in team control in the frontcourt, if he/she or a teammate last touched or
was touched by the ball in the frontcourt before it went to the backcourt.
ART. 2 While in player and team control in its backcourt, a player
shall not cause the ball to go from backcourt to frontcourt and return to
backcourt, without the ball touching a player in the frontcourt, such that
he/she or a teammate is the first to touch it in the backcourt.
ART. 3 During a jump ball, throw-in or while on defense, a player may
legally jump from his/her frontcourt, secure control of the ball with both
feet off the floor and return to the floor with one or both feet in the
backcourt. The player may make a normal landing and it makes no
difference whether the first foot down is in the frontcourt or backcourt.
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Old Sat Jan 26, 2019, 11:02am
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Rules citation please. Specifically that team control has to be established in the front court inbounds. (ie the team control OOB does not count)
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Rules citation please. I am in an argument with like 5 different officials that think this is a backcourt. The rules as worded seems to back them.
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This article does not strengthen my argument.
Look at Article 1 in previous post.
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Old Sat Jan 26, 2019, 11:03am
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That is the provision that a backcourt would not count when caught in the air jumping from frontcourt to backcourt. In my situation, this provision ends when B touches the ball, and in Billy Macs play makes it a backcourt violation. This article does not strengthen my argument.
4.12.2 Sit B

It's directly on point.

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Old Sat Jan 26, 2019, 11:05am
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Look at Article 1 in previous post.
They are arguing that a front court throwin is team control in the front court and that team control continues until one of the 3 criteria, (shot, deadball, turnover).
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Old Sat Jan 26, 2019, 11:08am
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4.12.2 Sit B

It's directly on point.

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