Back Court violation?

[Sharpshooternes]

Throwing by A1 undrer their basket in the front Court. Deep pass toward the division line. Pass is deflected by B2 then touched by A2 who jumped from front court. Ball then lands in the backcourt. Ball is then recovered by A2. Violation or play on?

[Stillblind]

No BC
Team Control was not established in the FC

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Throwin by A1 under their basket in the frontcourt. Deep pass toward the division line. Pass is deflected by B2 then touched by A2 who jumped from front court. Ball then lands in the backcourt. Ball is then recovered by A2.

The four elements for having a backcourt violation are: there must be team control (and initial player control when coming from a throwin); the ball must have achieved frontcourt status; the team in team control must be the last to touch the ball before it goes into the backcourt; that same team must be the first to touch after the ball has been in the backcourt.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The four elements for having a backcourt violation are: there must be team control (and initial player control when coming from a throwin); the ball must have achieved frontcourt status; the team in team control must be the last to touch the ball before it goes into the backcourt; that same team must be the first to touch after the ball has been in the backcourt.

Rules citation please. Specifically that team control has to be established in the front court inbounds. (ie the team control OOB does not count)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Rules citation please. Specifically that team control has to be established in the front court inbounds. (ie the team control OOB does not count)

Player control has to be established in bounds before you can have any type of backcourt violation.

and initial player control when coming from a throwin

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[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Player control has to be established in bounds before you can have any type of backcourt violation.



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Rules citation please. I am in an argument with like 5 different officials that think this is a backcourt. The rules as worded seems to back them.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Rules citation please. I am in an argument with like 5 different officials that think this is a backcourt. The rules as worded seems to back them.

9-9-3

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

(the team control OOB does not count)

Nice. Better than what the NFHS offers us in the rulebook, and so simply put.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Throwin by A1 under their basket in the front Court. Deep pass toward the division line. Pass is deflected by B2 then touched by A2 who jumped from front court. Ball then lands in the backcourt. Ball is then recovered by A2.

Now let's change it up a little.

Situation B: Throwin by A1 on the endline in Team A's frontcourt. Deep throwin pass toward the division line. Throwin pass is deflected by B2 in Team A's frontcourt and then A2, while jumping from Team A's frontcourt, secures control of the ball with both feet off the floor and returns to the floor with both feet in Team A's backcourt. You make the call.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Now let's change it up a little.

Situation B: Throwin by A1 on the endline in Team A's frontcourt. Deep throwin pass toward the division line. Throwin pass is deflected by B2 in Team A's frontcourt and then A2, while jumping from Team A's frontcourt, secures control of the ball with both feet off the floor and returns to the floor with both feet in Team A's backcourt. You make the call.

BC violation. 9.9.1.Sit D.

[SC Official]

Everyone knows the rules as written are not clear. This has been discussed ad nauseam.

But the NFHS has made it crystal clear that team control during a throw-in (and the period between the end of the throw-in and a player gaining control) is ONLY for foul purposes. You CANNOT have a violation for backcourt, 3 seconds, 10 seconds, etc. until PLAYER CONTROL has been established inbounds, thus creating true team control.

This situation has also been an official interpretation multiple times.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SC Official

true team control.

Nice. Too bad the NFHS doesn't add this to Rule 4 Definitions.

We all know that an ugly caterpillar will one day become a beautiful butterfly.

Maybe an ugly Point of Emphasis will one day become a beautiful rule?

[Nevadaref]

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...ion-throw.html

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...ion-throw.html

it would be if I didn't have to wait 30 seconds between searches.

[Sharpshooternes]

Do we have a video of the new BC exception play? (ie the catching of the ball by a player int he back court)