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?? back court violation
Team A is on offense and shoots the ball. Team A player tips the ball backwards and it goes into the backcourt. Another Team A player picks up the ball again and advances the ball.
Is this a backcourt violation? Thanks. |
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TC is lost on the shot, was it ever gained again?
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During a throwin, even under a team’s own basket, if the throwin is deflected, tipped, or batted by an offensive player in the frontcourt to an offensive player in the backcourt; or after a missed field goal attempt or a missed foul shot attempt, if the ball is deflected, tipped, or batted by an offensive player in the frontcourt to an offensive player in the backcourt; these are not a backcourt violations. In both cases team control, a player holding or dribbling the ball, has not yet been established.
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Your verbiage is too confusing imo. You can control a tip without establishing player and thus team control. You can control a tip from one end of the court to the other aamof without establishing player control.
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Controlled in this case would mean that it was the start of a dribble. This came up a couple years ago in either the case book or one of the pre-season NFHS fliers that comes with the books, might of been the OHSAA flier. Caused a big debate in our association and general consensus was that if you determine a tip or a player batting the ball back in bounds, your asking for whatever comes next.
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By rule there's no player control on either a batt or a tipp. Are you thinking of case book play 7.1.1SitD? In that one, the player caught the ball; he didn't batt or tip it back in-bounds. And btw, while you're in the case book, 4.12.6(b) is the reference for answering bbcowboy's original question. Touched, tipped, batted...same, same....none establish player control. Last edited by Jurassic Referee; Sun Dec 12, 2010 at 12:24pm. |
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Not a lot of room for discussion once you note the patently obvious failure to regain TC til ball reaches BC.
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Chicken, Meet Egg ...
When does team control begin?
4-12-2-A: A team is in control of the ball: When a player of the team is in control. OK. When does a player gain control? 4-12-1: A player is in control of the ball when he is holding or dribbling a live ball inbounds. OK. When does a player start a dribble? 4-15-1: A dribble is ball movement caused by a player in control who bats (intentionally strikes the ball with the hand) or pushes the ball to the floor once or several times. Questions? Do you have to have control first to start a dribble with a bat? Or does the bat to start a dribble establish control? Someone passes him the ball and instead of catching it, he bats it to the floor? Can you bat a ball into the air to start a dribble? How does one distinguish a bat into the air that is a dribble, versus a bat into the air that's a shot, versus a bat into the air that's a pass, like maybe a pass into the backcourt? Does one have to read minds to determine intent? Anybody got an aspirin?
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You're not normally judging intent, but outcomes. Often you cannot determine if it is a dribble until you see what happens next. If he bats the ball to the floor, then continues dribbling...it was the start of a dribble. If he bats it to the floor, then grabs it off the bounce...it was not the start of a dribble. If he bats the ball into the air, lets it hit the ground, then continues dribbling...it was the start of a dribble. etc.
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