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Sharpshooternes Sat Jan 26, 2019 07:56am
Back Court violation?
 
Throwing by A1 undrer their basket in the front Court. Deep pass toward the division line. Pass is deflected by B2 then touched by A2 who jumped from front court. Ball then lands in the backcourt. Ball is then recovered by A2. Violation or play on?

Stillblind Sat Jan 26, 2019 09:46am
No BC
Team Control was not established in the FC

BillyMac Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:19am
Throwin ...
 
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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 1029348)
Throwin by A1 under their basket in the frontcourt. Deep pass toward the division line. Pass is deflected by B2 then touched by A2 who jumped from front court. Ball then lands in the backcourt. Ball is then recovered by A2.
The four elements for having a backcourt violation are: there must be team control (and initial player control when coming from a throwin); the ball must have achieved frontcourt status; the team in team control must be the last to touch the ball before it goes into the backcourt; that same team must be the first to touch after the ball has been in the backcourt.

BillyMac Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:25am
Change Up ...
 
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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 1029348)
Throwin by A1 under their basket in the front Court. Deep pass toward the division line. Pass is deflected by B2 then touched by A2 who jumped from front court. Ball then lands in the backcourt. Ball is then recovered by A2.
Now let's change it up a little.

Situation B: Throwin by A1 on the endline in Team A's frontcourt. Deep throwin pass toward the division line. Throwin pass is deflected by B2 in Team A's frontcourt and then A2, while jumping from Team A's frontcourt, secures control of the ball with both feet off the floor and returns to the floor with both feet in Team A's backcourt. You make the call.

Sharpshooternes Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:42am
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1029351)
The four elements for having a backcourt violation are: there must be team control (and initial player control when coming from a throwin); the ball must have achieved frontcourt status; the team in team control must be the last to touch the ball before it goes into the backcourt; that same team must be the first to touch after the ball has been in the backcourt.
Rules citation please. Specifically that team control has to be established in the front court inbounds. (ie the team control OOB does not count)

Raymond Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:50am
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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 1029354)
Rules citation please. Specifically that team control has to be established in the front court inbounds. (ie the team control OOB does not count)
Player control has to be established in bounds before you can have any type of backcourt violation.

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and initial player control when coming from a throwin
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Sharpshooternes Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:52am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1029355)
Player control has to be established in bounds before you can have any type of backcourt violation.



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Rules citation please. I am in an argument with like 5 different officials that think this is a backcourt. The rules as worded seems to back them.

Raymond Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:54am
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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 1029356)
Rules citation please. I am in an argument with like 5 different officials that think this is a backcourt. The rules as worded seems to back them.
9-9-3

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BillyMac Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:55am
Next NFHS Rules Editor ???
 
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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 1029354)
(the team control OOB does not count)
Nice. Better than what the NFHS offers us in the rulebook, and so simply put.

Sharpshooternes Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:58am
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Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1029357)
9-9-3

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That is the provision that a backcourt would not count when caught in the air jumping from frontcourt to backcourt. In my situation, this provision ends when B touches the ball, and in Billy Macs play makes it a backcourt violation. This article does not strengthen my argument.

BillyMac Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:01am
Backcourt Rule ...
 
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Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1029357)
9-9-3
9-9 BACKCOURT
ART. 1 A player shall not be the first to touch the ball after it has been
in team control in the frontcourt, if he/she or a teammate last touched or
was touched by the ball in the frontcourt before it went to the backcourt.
ART. 2 While in player and team control in its backcourt, a player
shall not cause the ball to go from backcourt to frontcourt and return to
backcourt, without the ball touching a player in the frontcourt, such that
he/she or a teammate is the first to touch it in the backcourt.
ART. 3 During a jump ball, throw-in or while on defense, a player may
legally jump from his/her frontcourt, secure control of the ball with both
feet off the floor and return to the floor with one or both feet in the
backcourt. The player may make a normal landing and it makes no
difference whether the first foot down is in the frontcourt or backcourt.

BillyMac Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:02am
Article 1 ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 1029354)
Rules citation please. Specifically that team control has to be established in the front court inbounds. (ie the team control OOB does not count)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 1029356)
Rules citation please. I am in an argument with like 5 different officials that think this is a backcourt. The rules as worded seems to back them.
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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 1029359)
This article does not strengthen my argument.
Look at Article 1 in previous post.

Raymond Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:03am
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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 1029359)
That is the provision that a backcourt would not count when caught in the air jumping from frontcourt to backcourt. In my situation, this provision ends when B touches the ball, and in Billy Macs play makes it a backcourt violation. This article does not strengthen my argument.
4.12.2 Sit B

It's directly on point.

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Sharpshooternes Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:05am
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1029361)
Look at Article 1 in previous post.
They are arguing that a front court throwin is team control in the front court and that team control continues until one of the 3 criteria, (shot, deadball, turnover).

Sharpshooternes Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:08am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1029362)
4.12.2 Sit B

It's directly on point.

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DING DING DING DING!!!! WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER! Tell him what he's won Johnny!!

Thanks Raymond. That's what I was looking for.


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