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Old Sat Feb 03, 2018, 10:31am
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Backcourt exception on throw in

Ok .. I know this has been posted several times before, but I cant find the rule/casebook reference. Bet my partner $1000 (LOL) this was not backcourt.

On A's throw in from near the division line... A-1 throws in and A-2 tips the ball in the frontcourt and in goes to the backcourt where A-2 goes and picks it up. I have NO backcourt here as I explained to screaming Coach B. Can someone point me to the rulebook/casebook reference? I know no team control on the throw in (except for fouls) so one of the three things necessary for backcourt is not there.
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Old Sat Feb 03, 2018, 10:37am
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Ok .. I know this has been posted several times before, but I cant find the rule/casebook reference. Bet my partner $1000 (LOL) this was not backcourt.

On A's throw in from near the division line... A-1 throws in and A-2 tips the ball in the frontcourt and in goes to the backcourt where A-2 goes and picks it up. I have NO backcourt here as I explained to screaming Coach B. Can someone point me to the rulebook/casebook reference? I know no team control on the throw in (except for fouls) so one of the three things necessary for backcourt is not there.
As you can find in many other threads you need 4 things for a BC violation. Team control inbounds, front court location of ball, last to touch in the front court, first to touch in the back court.

In your case you never had team control inbounds as A2 never had control of the ball in the front court.
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Old Sat Feb 03, 2018, 11:38am
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... you need 4 things for a BC violation. Team control inbounds, front court location of ball, last to touch in the front court, first to touch in the back court.
The four elements for having a backcourt violation are: there must be team control (and initial player control
when coming from a throwin
); the ball must have achieved frontcourt status; the team in team control must
be the last to touch the ball before it goes into the backcourt; that same team must be the first to touch after
the ball has been in the backcourt.

(Note: Red added when the NFHS added team control (for foul purposes only) to throwin situations.)
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Thanks for reiterating what AR said ......another fine example of you padding your total number of posts.
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Old Sat Feb 03, 2018, 12:19pm
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The title of this thread is erroneous. The "exception" to the backcourt rule (i.e. the four requirements) refers to the three situations in which an airborne player can catch the ball and land in the backcourt (throw-in, jump ball, or while on defense).

In the OP, there was never "true" team control (i.e. team control for violation purposes) in the frontcourt, so it's not an "exception"it's just not a violation.
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The title of this thread is erroneous. The "exception" to the backcourt rule (i.e. the four requirements) refers to the three situations in which an airborne player can catch the ball and land in the backcourt (throw-in, jump ball, or while on defense).
Good point.

During a throwin, or jump ball, any player; or a defensive player, in making a steal; may legally jump from his, or her, frontcourt, secure control of the ball with both feet off the floor, and return to the floor with one, or both, feet in the backcourt. The player may make a normal landing, and it makes no difference whether the first foot down is in the frontcourt, or the backcourt. These three situations are not backcourt violations.
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Billy, Thanks for reiterating what AR said, another fine example of you padding your total number of posts. Shouldn't you be in the middle of an 8 game day with hot moms that aren't interested in your slide rule.
That's the only way, by padding my stats, that I can maintain my Esteemed Forum Member status.

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Old Sat Feb 03, 2018, 03:24pm
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Thanks to all. I guess you are correct also because it is
not an "exception". Knew I had it correct and can scare me that my partner didn't. End of a close game/last possession could cost someone a win.
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Old Sat Feb 03, 2018, 09:24pm
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Ok .. I know this has been posted several times before, but I cant find the rule/casebook reference. Bet my partner $1000 (LOL) this was not backcourt.

On A's throw in from near the division line... A-1 throws in and A-2 tips the ball in the frontcourt and in goes to the backcourt where A-2 goes and picks it up. I have NO backcourt here as I explained to screaming Coach B. Can someone point me to the rulebook/casebook reference? I know no team control on the throw in (except for fouls) so one of the three things necessary for backcourt is not there.
SITUATION 5: A1 has the ball for an end-line throw-in in his/her frontcourt. A1s pass to A2, who is in the frontcourt standing near the division line, is high and deflects off A2s hand and goes into Team As backcourt. A2 is then the first to control the ball in Team As backcourt. RULING: Legal. There is no backcourt violation since player and team control had not yet been established in Team As frontcourt before the ball went into Team As backcourt. The throw-in ends when A2 legally touches the ball, but the backcourt count does not start until A2 gains control in his/her backcourt. (4-12-2d; 9-9)

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