Throw-in hits basket

[Altor]

Keep in mind we are now talking about the timing of the whistle. Because of the odd and unexpected occurrence (throw-in hitting the rim), the whistle was not immediate. The official in the OP took a moment to process what he saw and then made a bad decision to stop play. The POI is determined by the status of the ball when the IW occurred, not when the ball hit the rim.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Altor

Keep in mind we are now talking about the timing of the whistle.

I get it. Not sure I agree, but I get the logic and the rule language behind it.

Because it's not a real violation, the "violation" doesn't cause the ball to became dead, it's the inadvertent whistle that causes the ball to become dead and the whistle may be slightly delayed (as it always is).

I would like to see further discussion before I change my mind, especially the part about counting the basket (after the ring hit but also after the sound of the whistle).

If everybody's going to count that basket, then I better think about backing up the truck and moving in another direction.

Good discussion guys. I can certainly see your logic.

Maybe Basketball Rules Fundamental 16 isn't as clear as I once believed.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Because it's not a real violation, the "violation" doesn't cause the ball to became dead, it's the inadvertent whistle that causes the ball to become dead and the whistle may be slightly delayed (as it always is).

If a violation falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, is it still a dead ball?

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I get it. Not sure I agree, but I get the logic and the rule language behind it.

Because it's not a real violation, the "violation" doesn't cause the ball to became dead, it's the inadvertent whistle that causes the ball to become dead and the whistle may be slightly delayed (as it always is).

I would like to see further discussion before I change my mind, especially the part about counting the basket (after the ring hit but also after the sound of the whistle).

If everybody's going to count that basket, then I better think about backing up the truck and moving in another direction.

Good discussion guys. I can certainly see your logic.

Maybe Basketball Rules Fundamental 16 isn't as clear as I once believed.

Again, it depends on the status of the ball when the inadvertent whistle occurs. If the IW occurs after the defender gained possession, his team gets the ball because they had team control. If the player was in the act of shooting but the ball was not released-same result. If the try was released and then the IW occurs we use the arrow if the try was unsuccessful. If the try was good the basket counts and play resumes from there. See 7.5.3

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by billyu2

Again, it depends on the status of the ball when the inadvertent whistle occurs.

Another vote for dead ball at the whistle rather than the violation (error).

7.5.3 SITUATION: An official sounds his/her whistle inadvertently: (a) while A1 is dribbling and in player control;(b) while the pass is in flight from A1 (in A’s backcourt) to
A2 (in A’s frontcourt); (c) while A1's unsuccessful three-point try attempt is in flight; or (d) while A’s successful try attempt is in flight. RULING: The ball is put in play at the point of interruption. In (a), Team A is awarded a throw-in at the nearest out-of-bounds spot to where the ball was when the whistle was inadvertently sounded. In (b), since the ball is being passed among teammates and is in flight, it retains the same location as when it was last in contact with A1 in Team A’s backcourt. Therefore, Team A is awarded a throw-in at the nearest out-of-bounds spot to where A1 was when the whistle was sounded. In (c) and (d), the ball does not become dead until the try ends. In (c), since there is no team control when the ball becomes dead, the ball is put in play by the team entitled to the throw-in using the alternating-possession procedure at a spot nearest to where A1 was last in contact with ball when the whistle was sounded. In (d), since a goal has been scored by Team A, the ball is given to Team B for a throw-in anywhere along the end line. (7-4-4; 4-4-3; 4-12-3,6; 4-36)

Nice citation billyu2. Thanks.