Nine second rim hang = no call

[Raymond]

Apparently I missed something also. Must be written in invisible ink somewhere, this conflicting L2M.

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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Apparently I missed something also. Must be written in invisible ink somewhere, this conflicting L2M.

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And posting completely different plays where players do completely different things (a chin up where legs go parallel to the floor and next to the rim/a player trying to rip the rim out the backboard) that look nothing like what LeBron James did on this play is not a conflicting L2M report. It's just somebody who doesn't know how to admit they're wrong.

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[ilyazhito]

Here is a video from the NBA Video Rulebook about hanging on the rim. Technical Foul, player hangs on the rim | NBA Video Rulebook
The transcript says that "Players are not allowed to pull themselves up on the rim, nor are they allowed to hang on the rim following a dunk attempt, unless they are doing so to avoid injury to themselves or another player. The NBA video rulebook does not mention a dead-ball exception, nor can I find one in the PDF version of the rulebook. Thus, hanging on the rim in the NBA rules is consistent with NFHS and NCAA.

Bucky may also be alluding to this video as the source of inconsistencies. If Bucky can bring up the L2M video where there should be a technical foul, we can have more of a conversation.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

Here is a video from the NBA Video Rulebook about hanging on the rim. Technical Foul, player hangs on the rim | NBA Video Rulebook
The transcript says that "Players are not allowed to pull themselves up on the rim, nor are they allowed to hang on the rim following a dunk attempt, unless they are doing so to avoid injury to themselves or another player. The NBA video rulebook does not mention a dead-ball exception, nor can I find one in the PDF version of the rulebook. Thus, hanging on the rim in the NBA rules is consistent with NFHS and NCAA.

Bucky may also be alluding to this video as the source of inconsistencies. If Bucky can bring up the L2M video where there should be a technical foul, we can have more of a conversation.

He retroactively posted videos of Draymond Green pulling himself and his entire body to rim level with his legs parallel to the ground and one of LeBron violently pulling the rim back and forth.

And you already posted that the NBA rules for hanging on the rim refer specifically to offensive and defensive players. During intermissions/timeouts/pre-games, there are no offensive or defensive players.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

During intermissions/timeouts/pre-games, there are no offensive or defensive players.

So, in the original play, it wasn't the dead ball (immediately after the successful goal) that allowed the ring grasp, but it was the immediate timeout that allowed the ring grasp?

So, why did the L2M Report mention dead ball? From the ilyazhito's video it's obvious that a technical foul for a ring grasping can be charged during a dead ball.

[Raymond]

on the rim

"This is an example of a Technical Foul for hanging on the rim. Players are not allowed to pull themselves up on the rim, nor are they allowed to hang on the rim after a dunk attempt, unless they are doing so to avoid injury to themselves or another player. The offensive player on this play pulls himself up on the rim and kicks his legs into the air following his successful dunk. This type of reaction is an immediate technical foul for hanging on the rim."


They are allowed to hang on the rim until all the players beneath them clear. That was addressed in the L2M report on this particular play.

NBA is not shy about telling us when an official gets plays wrong. If the officials in this game got that played wrong the NBA would have said so. And if your buddy thinks that he's going to go into an NBA game and call a Tech on this play while his 30-year veteran crew chief doesn't, he is truly not too bright when it comes to the world of officiating.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

They are allowed to hang on the rim until all the players beneath them clear.

LeBron James was still hanging on the long after the players below him cleared. So why was he allowed to do so:

1) Timeout was immediately called.
2) He didn't taunt anyone.
3) He didn't delay the game.

"Clearing players" had a little to do with this correct no call situation, there were no players directly under James after the dunk, the closest one was there for only a second.

The "dead ball" had absolutely nothing to do with this correct no call situation and the mention of such mucked up the rationale and was irrelevant, superfluous, extraneous, and not needed in the L2M Report.

Once again here's BillyMac's L2M Report: "After the made dunk shot, James (LAL) remains on the rim after the timeout is called. He is not taunting opponents, nor is he delaying the game."

(if Raymond is correct in that NBA players are allowed to grasp the ring during pregame, timeouts, intermissions, and post game.)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

LeBron James was still hanging on the long after the players below him cleared. So why was he allowed to do so:

1) Timeout was immediately called.
2) He didn't taunt anyone.
3) He didn't delay the game.

"Clearing players" had a little to do with this correct no call situation, there were no players under James after the dunk, the closest one was there for only a second.

The "dead ball" had absolutely nothing to do with this and the mention of such mucked up the rationale and was irrelevant, superfluous, extraneous, and not needed in the L2M Report.
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Based on your extensive knowledge of NBA rules and the spirit and intent thereof? You have no idea if the ball being dead has anything to do with the ruling, because it is not explicitly stated in the rule book. It is addressed, however, in an official NBA communication concerning said play.

The L2M report for this particular game lists 4 incorrect decisions by the officials in a 42 second span. I guess this play's ruling is some nefarious plot or conspiracy by the NBA to protect the King. Geez.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

You have no idea if the ball being dead has anything to do with the ruling, because it is not explicitly stated in the rule book.

We've seen videos in this thread of players being called for this infraction during the dead ball period immediately after a successful goal. No apparent taunting. No apparent delay of game. That leads me to believe that excessive grasping is not allowed during dead balls.

Then, of course, we have this statement from the NBA: "Players are not allowed to pull themselves up on the rim, nor are they allowed to hang on the rim following a dunk attempt, unless they are doing so to avoid injury to themselves or another player".

It does list "unless" exceptions, but dead ball is not listed as an "unless" exception.

Absent taunting, or delay of game, I still believe that this correct no call was mainly due to the immediacy of the timeout.

Had there been no immediate timeout called, I believe that James could have been called for an excessive grasp of the ring, as we've seen by other players in other videos with no taunting, or no delay of game.

I do not have extensive knowledge of NBA rules, but I know how to read and how to logically understand factual information that is presented to me.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I guess this play's ruling is some nefarious plot or conspiracy by the NBA to protect the King.

Though I facetiously posted about this, I actually believe that the no call was correct, a small part of the rationale was illogical and unclear, but the no call was correct, NBA players are probably allowed to grasp the ring during pregame, timeouts, intermissions, and post game.

[ilyazhito]

That might make sense if the NBA is an entertainment league (travels are frequently overlooked, NBA officials use mechanics that are not listed in the signal chart, and that look lazy, IMO), but NBA officials are still very accurate when it comes to play calling. I'd put an NBA crew on a D1 men's college game, and a top D1 crew on a G-League or NBA preseason game, just to see how they perform, though :-P.