Nine second rim hang = no call

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

You clearly don't get it. The NBA is about providing entertainment to make $. The league doesn't give a damn about player behavior, sportsmanship, or rules. They want butts in the seats, people watching on TV, and advertisers paying for commercials. The attitude is that people aren't watching to see the officials call traveling. Now why would you think that the league admins would want officials calling techs on the most talented players for hanging on the ring when everyone is watching to see those guys do exactly that.

How is hanging on the rim related to the game? I understand making a dunk, but hanging on for a long time is showing off, and is not an effective form of defense. I want to be an NBA official, because I believe that these guys are the best in the business, and I want to challenge myself to be at their level.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

How is hanging on the rim related to the game? I understand making a dunk, but hanging on for a long time is showing off, and is not an effective form of defense.

Damage to the rings/backboards, and injuries to the players.

Throughout the history of the game of basketball, certain players have held enormous physical advantages that completely changed the way the game was played on both offense and defense. These players were so dominant that they caused many rule changes, rule changes that were supposed to reduce the dominance of these gifted players to make their style of play a bit fairer to other players. Most of these rule changes were originally instituted in NCAA, or NBA games, but these changes eventually trickled down to NFHS rules.

When Lew Alcindor (Kareem Abdul Jabbar) (UCLA 1966-1969, NBA 1969-1989) started playing basketball for UCLA Bruins, NCAA officials felt that the seven foot, two inch All-American center, being especially tall and athletic, could place the ball over the rim and throw it through the hoop with ease. This feat of athleticism which we all know as the dunk and seems so routine was not so routine back in the mid-1960’s. It was considered unfair that he could do it so easily. So the NCAA banned dunking in 1967. This was called the “Alcindor Rule”. Another reason dunking was outlawed was to prevent injury and equipment damage. A distorted rim could delay a game. As a result of the rule, Alcindor developed a great hook shot, the “Sky Hook”, which he used effectively during his playing days in college, and in the NBA. After multiple issues with the new rule and the invention of the breakaway rim the NCAA allowed the dunk to be legal again during 1976-1977 season which was shortly after UCLA Coach John Wooden's retirement. The “Alcindor Rule” eventually trickled down to NFHS rules. In 1967, the NFHS banned dunking in high school basketball games. In 1970, the NFHS also prohibited dunking during pregame warmups. Like the NCAA, the NFHS reversed itself in 1976 and a rule change allowed dunking during the game but not during pregame warmups, nor during intermissions, and with a later rule change in 1978 outlawing dunking a dead ball.

Darryl Dawkins (NBA 1975-1989), the Philadelphia 76ers six foot, eleven inch, 251 pound center, in a game against the Kansas City Kings at Municipal Auditorium on November 13, 1979 dunked and broke the backboard sending the King’s Bill Robinzine ducking away. Three weeks later he did it again, this time at home against the San Antonio Spurs at the Spectrum. Thus, Dawkins became famous for his backboard shattering dunks and is credited for being the player to cause the NBA to introduce breakaway rims. Breakaway rims are now an essential element of the game of basketball. A broken backboard or distorted rim could delay a game for hours. In 1981 the NFHS adopted specifications for breakaway rims.

Shaquille O'Neal (LSU 1989-1992, NBA 1992-2011) a seven foot, one inch, 325 pound center, was one of the heaviest players ever to play in the NBA. O'Neal dunked with so much power that he broke the steel supports holding backboards during games against the New Jersey Nets and the Phoenix Suns while playing for the Orlando Magic during the 1992–93 NBA season. This prompted the NBA to increase the strength and stability of the backboard supports and change the stanchion design for the following 1993–94 season. The NFHS added backboard support specifications to the rules in 1996-97.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

I want to be an NBA official, because I believe that these guys are the best in the business, and I want to challenge myself to be at their level.

Maybe in your next lifetime.

I know refs with NBA potential. You do not begin to measure up.

I hope you are Buddhist

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

I want to be an NBA official, because I believe that these guys are the best in the business, and I want to challenge myself to be at their level.

Originally Posted by justacoach

Maybe in your next lifetime. I hope you are Buddhist

I want to get through my subvarsity doubleheaders without my bone spur locking up my right ankle, without my left knee acting up, without having another heart attack, and without waking up the next morning on the wrong side of the grass.

The early bird gets the worm. I don't want the early worms to get me.

How about those for lofty goals?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by justacoach

Maybe in your next lifetime.

I know refs with NBA potential. You do not begin to measure up.

I hope you are Buddhist

I think the hostility towards our college-aged poster is unwarranted. Nobody here knows him personally or has seen him officiate.

Years ago Jurassic was equally dismissive of and combative towards a young poster who went by the handle of "btaylor64". Three guesses what the "b' stands for and where he is working now.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I think the hostility towards our college-aged poster is unwarranted.

Please don't misapprehend good-natured ribbing as hostility.

I have done my part in encouraging and grooming young officials.

Would not venture to counsel our young friend solely based on his bombastic public utterances.

[BillyMac]

Here in my little corner of Connecticut, we thrive on yanking each other's chains. If one isn't getting their chain yanked, one should wonder what they're doing wrong.

When I work with a partner that I haven't worked with in a long time, he says, "It's been awhile.", I reply, "Yeah. I told (our assigner) that I didn't want to work with you any more".

I would never say that to a partner who I really didn't want to work with.

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by justacoach

Maybe in your next lifetime.

I know refs with NBA potential. You do not begin to measure up.

I hope you are Buddhist

Actually, I am an Eastern Orthodox Christian. So I won't have this next life you speak of, just an opportunity to possibly referee basketball in Heaven after I die, if that is what the Lord wills.

I guess btaylor is in the NBA now

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

Actually, I am an Eastern Orthodox Christian. So I won't have this next life you speak of, just an opportunity to possibly referee basketball in Heaven after I die, if that is what the Lord wills.

I guess btaylor is in the NBA now

Yes, that would be Ben Taylor, who has a reputation as one of he top rules knowledge officials in the NBA.

[ilyazhito]

Perhaps ilyazhito and btaylor64 will have games together sometime in the next decade. It looks like there is a lot in common between me and him: both of us are rules aficionados .

LeBron SchmeBron, you hang I bang. The rules are not written differently for the stars than they are for the role players, so it makes no sense to give "star calls".

[LRZ]

"SchmeBron, you hang I bang. The rules are not written differently for the stars than they are for the role players, so it makes no sense to give 'star calls.'"

You might have to rethink this when you get to the big show.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

Perhaps ilyazhito and btaylor64 will have games together sometime in the next decade. It looks like there is a lot in common between me and him: both of us are rules aficionados .

LeBron SchmeBron, you hang I bang. The rules are not written differently for the stars than they are for the role players, so it makes no sense to give "star calls".

So you are totaling ignoring the L2M report posted at the beginning of the thread?

[bucky]

Originally Posted by Raymond

So you are totaling ignoring the L2M report posted at the beginning of the thread?

It has already been posted that the L2Ms can be contradictory/inconsistent. And there are L2Ms that suggest a T should have been called and was not.

[ilyazhito]

Raymond, if the L2Ms are inconsistent, I won't rely on them. What I can rely on is what is written in the rulebook and casebook, and either of those would say that hanging on the rim is illegal, if not a part of a basketball play or done to avoid an injury. Hanging on the rim for 9 seconds after a dunk is clearly excessive, as there is ample time for players to clear the area under the basket, and there is no further basketball play that a player can accomplish by hanging on the rim once a dunk attempt is complete. The consequence for violating the rule against hanging on the rim is a technical foul charged to the offender, so case closed.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

Perhaps ilyazhito and btaylor64 will have games together sometime in the next decade. It looks like there is a lot in common between me and him: both of us are rules aficionados .

Comments like these are the ones that are causing forum members to be rubbed the wrong way by you.

It is fine to have goals and aspirations; it is another thing to be showy and overconfident. Intentional or not, that is how you come off often on this forum.