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[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by thedewed

I don't agree, only the first is arguably the same motion as a behind the back dribble, and when it is caught in the other hand it's not a dribble. apparently that is the NBA interpretation as well. I don't believe there is a different interpretation, or at least wording, at the college level, but perhaps there is. I doubt it.

The NBA specifically said this was legal because of the zero step interp, and not because of some "carry" interp.

[thedewed]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The NBA specifically said this was legal because of the zero step interp, and not because of some "carry" interp.

wrong , they said that he gathered and THEN took 2 steps. same as NCAA rule as far as I know

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by thedewed

wrong , they said that he gathered and THEN took 2 steps. same as NCAA rule as far as I know

That is not quite the rule. If a player "gathers" with a foot on the floor (and the other off the floor), then that foot is the pivot. They cannot lift and bring that foot back to the floor without violating the traveling rule. That is the same rule in both NF and NCAA.

Peace

[thedewed]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That is not quite the rule. If a player "gathers" with a foot on the floor (and the other off the floor), then that foot is the pivot. They cannot lift and bring that foot back to the floor without violating the traveling rule. That is the same rule in both NF and NCAA.

Peace

Yes I agree. They, like the NCAA , want to be liberal with when the gather is completed, and like we see here, their interpretation is that the gather is completed with both feet off the ground, then he comes down 1 2, voila, not a travel.

I think they try to make the travel more understandable with their change in the verbiage, but I don't see a difference in what a travel is. maybe someone out there can show me I'm wrong, and I might be. I am confident this 'gather' issue is seen in a lot of potential travel situations, even as simple as many layups, if you look closely. All high levels they want that called very loosely, from what I've seen, and I agree with that philosophy.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by thedewed

wrong , they said that he gathered and THEN took 2 steps. same as NCAA rule as far as I know

You don't know the NCAA rule then.

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[thedewed]

Originally Posted by Raymond

You don't know the NCAA rule then.

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If you gather in the air, then come down with one foot, then the other foot, it's not a travel at either level. Maybe you thought I meant the gather took place with a foot on the floor, and then a one and a two. That would be a travel because the pivot foot returned, but any level worth talking about wants that gather given the benefit of the doubt.

[Jay R]

In the NBA, the gather step is not the pivot. A player picking up his dribble with his right foot on the floor, the RF is the gather step (or zero step) and then he has two more steps (LF RF) to shoot or pass. If he comes to stop, the LF will be his pivot foot.

[thedewed]

Originally Posted by Jay R

In the NBA, the gather step is not the pivot. A player picking up his dribble with his right foot on the floor, the RF is the gather step (or zero step) and then he has two more steps (LF RF) to shoot or pass. If he comes to stop, the LF will be his pivot foot.

Interesting, do you have an online link to this language? I don't find zero step on the NBA rulebook online.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by thedewed

If you gather in the air, then come down with one foot, then the other foot, it's not a travel at either level. Maybe you thought I meant the gather took place with a foot on the floor, and then a one and a two. That would be a travel because the pivot foot returned, but any level worth talking about wants that gather given the benefit of the doubt.

The multiple NCAA clinics I've attended this year nobody has told us to be liberal with the gather. Nobody has told us anything in regards to gather. We were just told to call travels if they occur. I have never once in my 10 years as an NCAA official had any clinic or clinician tell us to be liberal with the gather. It has never been discussed.

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