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BillyMac Wed Oct 10, 2018 02:23pm

Slow Boat To China ...
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/nba-waste...154818303.html

Raymond Thu Oct 11, 2018 07:21am

Would it be too much to ask to put something in the title that is relevant to officiating?

bob jenkins Thu Oct 11, 2018 07:35am

The move would NOT be legal in HS or NCAA because the traveling rule is different.

BillyMac Thu Oct 11, 2018 07:38am

Stayin' Alive (The Bee Gees, 1977) ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1025203)
Would it be too much to ask to put something in the title that is relevant to officiating?

Curiosity killed the cat, but it didn't kill Raymond.

Seriously. I forgot that a thread title is much more important than a post title (that many seldom read). Thread titles are on the Forum for many days. Sorry.

BillyMac Thu Oct 11, 2018 07:39am

Always Listen To bob ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1025204)
The move would NOT be legal in HS or NCAA because the traveling rule is different.

That's what I thought, but being unfamiliar with NBA travel rules, I needed a confirmation.

Raymond Thu Oct 11, 2018 07:47am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1025205)
Curiosity killed the cat, but it didn't kill Raymond.

You always say you write stuff for the benefit of new officials. How would any new official know what they are supposed to be learning about when you make a post with no indication about the subject? Then you don't post any relevant information as to how this article relates to HS rules or interpretations.

Raymond Thu Oct 11, 2018 07:48am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1025206)
That's what I thought, but being unfamiliar with NBA travel rules, I needed a confirmation.

The article tells you it's legal in the NBA. You didn't know whether or not the action is legal in NFHS?

BillyMac Thu Oct 11, 2018 08:00am

Entertainment Value ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1025209)
The article tells you it's legal in the NBA. You didn't know whether or not the action is legal in NFHS?

I was sure that it was illegal for NFHS, just wanted to confirm the "entertainment value" rule set of the NBA.

BillyMac Thu Oct 11, 2018 08:01am

A Zero ...
 
That's what my seventh grade English/Social Studies teacher, Mr. Britton, used to say whenever we answered a question incorrectly.

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Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1025208)
Then you don't post any relevant information as to how this article relates to HS rules or interpretations.

Just wanted to spark a discussion among the curious. I obviously failed miserably.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1025207)
... some folks find any little thing to complain about.

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1025205)
Seriously. I forgot that a thread title is much more important than a post title (that many seldom read). Thread titles are on the Forum for many days. Sorry.


Raymond Thu Oct 11, 2018 08:39am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1025213)
I was sure that it was illegal for NFHS, just wanted to confirm the "entertainment value" rule set of the NBA.

Confirmed by whom? We have an NBA ref in our forum? Wasn't that question answered by an NBA entity in the article YOU posted?

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The move caused such a buzz that the NBA weighed in on Wednesday morning and the verdict. . .
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This is a legal play. Although James puts the ball behind his back, he only takes two steps after the gather of the ball and therefore it is NOT a travel.
If your goal is really to engage newer officials into understanding the rules, then post the rule or something related to the rule. If I were a newer official, I would be discouraged by having to navigate through a whole bunch of unnecessary minutiae.

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BillyMac Thu Oct 11, 2018 09:43am

Rules Sets ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1025217)
Confirmed by whom? We have an NBA ref in our forum?

We have a few Forum members who are familiar with the differences between NBA, WNBA, FIBA, NCAA-M, NCAA-W, and NFHS rules, I am not one of them, and seek explanations from those that know and possibly understand the differences.

BillyMac Thu Oct 11, 2018 09:54am

Obviously A Failure ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1025217)
If your goal is really to engage newer officials into understanding the rules, then post the rule or something related to the rule.

My goal, obviously a failure, was to start a discussion regarding NBA travel rules compared to NFHS travel rules to those who know the differences, which would probably not be aimed at just new officials, but all officials.

Harden's move being legal, or illegal, made quite a splash on the interent's social media, so I figured it would make the same splash here on the Forum, and again, I was wrong.

I can tell you why this move is illegal by NFHS rules, but I can't even begin to tell you why its legal by NBA rules. bob jenkins confirmed it's NBA legal, maybe someone else can tell us why it's legal. Something about two steps?

JRutledge Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:03am

I am also confused completely by the title or what is the goal of the posting of this. NBA rules are different than amateur rules. Similar to the NFL compared to the NF or NCAA. Not sure why people get up in arms about this difference. But it would help if we actually knew what the rule was that applied either in the title or what we are to comment about. But that it sometimes is too much to ask of some.

Peace

bob jenkins Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:22am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1025225)
bob jenkins confirmed it's NBA legal,

No, I didn't. I merely said it's illegal in FED and NCAA. And, that the NBA travel rule is different.

No comment on whether that "difference" would make it legal in NBA -- but since the NBA posted IN THE VERY SAME ARTICLE that it was legal, I believe them.

BillyMac Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:23am

A Miserable Failure ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1025226)
I am also confused completely by the title or what is the goal of the posting of this ... if we actually knew what the rule was that applied

I've already fallen on my sword for not realizing the important difference between thread title and a post title. I seldom start a thread, I usually reply to the threads of others. I doubt that many read my post titles.

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1025205)
Seriously. I forgot that a thread title is much more important than a post title (that many seldom read). Thread titles are on the Forum for many days. Sorry.

In followup posts, I've made my (failed) goal very clear.

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1025214)
Just wanted to spark a discussion among the curious. I obviously failed miserably.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1025225)
My goal, obviously a failure, was to start a discussion regarding NBA travel rules compared to NFHS travel rules to those who know the differences ... Harden's move being legal, or illegal, made quite a splash on the interent's social media, so I figured it would make the same splash here on the Forum, and again, I was wrong. I can tell you why this move is illegal by NFHS rules, but I can't even begin to tell you why its legal by NBA rules. bob jenkins confirmed it's NBA legal, maybe someone else can tell us why it's legal. Something about two steps?

Again, I don't know the NBA rule, so I couldn't include it I any of my posts. I could probably find it on the internet, but I figured (maybe incorrectly) that a few Forum members (with a wealth of knowledge) with a passing interest in NBA rules could provide that information.


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